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    Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:24

My son loaned me Lateralus by Tool and told me it was a great prog metal album. I've been listening to it for a week now and I still think it sounds like crap. The bassist is very talented, but the guitar playing is generic chord bouncing without any melody whatsoever and the drumming is sloppy.

The worst part is definitely the vocalist. Not his singing per se, which isn't bad, even if he doesn't seem to grasp the concept of vocal melodies. But the LYRICS!! My god, who wrote this crap?! Pat Robertson? He sounds like a child trying to impress his friends in Sunday school. Except for this one song, which is your typical 'I hate everyone' rant.

My question though is this. I don't know if Lateralus is considered a good album or as equally derided by the rest of the musical community. I'm not a Tool fan, in fact I'm hoping the rest of their work is better than this. Someone please instruct me!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:28

If you don't like Lateralus, you won't like any other Tool album.

You didn't say anything about the drums, though.

EDIT: Actually you did - you said the drumming was sloppy. My bad.

But then you didn't correct me, but instead went on to say the drummer was pretty good, as if you hadn't made the previous comment at all.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:29
Actually, I thought the drummer was pretty good. I prefer jazz drummerst hough, to be honest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:31

The drummer also plays in a fusion band called Volto, I think.

Anyway, Lateralus is generally considered Tool's best, so there you go.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:34
Bah... humbug.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:36

Originally posted by FuzzyDude FuzzyDude wrote:

Bah... humbug.

Well then listen to the other albums at your own risk.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 09:18

Originally posted by FuzzyDude FuzzyDude wrote:

Bah... humbug.

Thats what basically came out of my mouth when I read your Topic post

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 09:21

I think Jody The Progtologist should post his comments  here

 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 10:18
Originally posted by Majestic_Mayhem Majestic_Mayhem wrote:

I think Jody The Progtologist should post his comments  here

 

I agree, he'll give you the reasons as to why Tool are good/prog (take your pick)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 13:51

I find 'Ænema' their best album (and some great lyrics in Die eier von Satan)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 14:14
Originally posted by FuzzyDude FuzzyDude wrote:

My son loaned me Lateralus by Tool and told me it was a great prog metal album. I've been listening to it for a week now and I still think it sounds like crap. The bassist is very talented, but the guitar playing is generic chord bouncing without any melody whatsoever and the drumming is sloppy.

The worst part is definitely the vocalist. Not his singing per se, which isn't bad, even if he doesn't seem to grasp the concept of vocal melodies. But the LYRICS!! My god, who wrote this crap?! Pat Robertson? He sounds like a child trying to impress his friends in Sunday school. Except for this one song, which is your typical 'I hate everyone' rant.

My question though is this. I don't know if Lateralus is considered a good album or as equally derided by the rest of the musical community. I'm not a Tool fan, in fact I'm hoping the rest of their work is better than this. Someone please instruct me!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 14:18
i will pretend you didn't say anything about danny carey
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 14:47

There was no need to start this second negative thread about Lateralus. Drumming was sloppy in 1st post then pretty good in the second!Make your mind up dude! If you want to hear Maynard sing vocal melodies,listen to "The 13th Step" by A Perfect Circle his other band.You'd think it was a different singer.

The lyrics in Die eier von satan are hilarious.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 14:57
My driving instructor burned me a copy of Lateralus a couple years ago.  I listened to it a couple times.  It sounded pretty good to me.  I should revisit it...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 16:06
One of the best album i've heard in my entire life. long life tool, can't wait for the next album
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 16:25

Tool music, at best, is below average in my opinion.  I can't really say I consider them a prog band either. 

Some people might say the same about Rush, but Rush music is by far better than anything Tool has ever done.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 17:08
Originally posted by FuzzyDude FuzzyDude wrote:

My son loaned me Lateralus by Tool and told me it was a great prog metal album. I've been listening to it for a week now and I still think it sounds like crap. The bassist is very talented, but the guitar playing is generic chord bouncing without any melody whatsoever and the drumming is sloppy.

The worst part is definitely the vocalist. Not his singing per se, which isn't bad, even if he doesn't seem to grasp the concept of vocal melodies. But the LYRICS!! My god, who wrote this crap?! Pat Robertson? He sounds like a child trying to impress his friends in Sunday school. Except for this one song, which is your typical 'I hate everyone' rant.

My question though is this. I don't know if Lateralus is considered a good album or as equally derided by the rest of the musical community. I'm not a Tool fan, in fact I'm hoping the rest of their work is better than this. Someone please instruct me!!

First off your not gonna understand lateralus as well without knowledge of the other albums, second of all the things that bothered you about the album just seem to not make much sense.

DRUMMING SLOPPY- get your ears checked

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 17:30
Originally posted by FuzzyDude FuzzyDude wrote:

the drumming is sloppy.

Oh, come on. I don't like Tool at all, but that's just ridiculous. At least give credit where credit is due.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2006 at 17:31

Let me ask you a question....

Which PROG (not jazz) band's drumming do u think is good. Cause Danny is one of the best in prog metal (if you consider them prog metal anyway).

Tool to me was never about trying to be progressive.... Never liked them cause of their melodies or time signatures, never considered maynard to be a god, I just love them cause they are doing something completely different from anything I've listened so far. I think that they sound quite original...

I would say that it may be dificult for someone who was 10 years old on 73' to like tool. Like my grandfather who when he listens to pink floyd he says "these guys are just making noise, turn it off". I guess you wont like bands like meshuggah, opeth or ephel duath but thats the way it is. I surely wont enjoy listening to artists who will come out in 40 years time but this wont mean they are crap....

Its interesting to see why sooooo many people are tool-haters. They seem to be a band which you either hate or love.

PS. Sorry for my poor english 

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