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Hendrix828 ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: November 19 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 63 |
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When they tranfered them to cd??
Mine are- The ENTIRE Jimi Hendrix cataloge by Experience Hendrix. It just has a sickening loud type sound to it. Like it rips right through you,but in a bad way Henry Cows remastered albums on CD. Leg End,Unrest and In The Praise Of Learning. Western Culture and Desperate Straights seemed to be mixed okay. But damn,the first 3 I listed are HORRIBLE compared to their first pressings?? I think it was Chris Cutler who decided to remix the masters?? I could be wrong,but he did a horrible job. What are your albums that were remixed badly compared to the original mixes?? Edited by Hendrix828 |
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salmacis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
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I'd agree on some of the Hendrix ones- 'Are You Experienced' has an extremely loud crackle in 'Can You See Me' that even an 80s vinyl reissue I had didn't have! Uriah Heep's 'Return To Fantasy' expanded edition has some major sound issues; there is an unexplained drop in volume half way through 'Devil's Daughter' and there's also considerable 'dropout' in 'Prima Donna' due to the loud mastering volume that was obviously undertaken on this song. The old Warner Brothers CDs of the Greenslade and Curved Air are simply atrocious too- someone should remaster these... |
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soundsweird ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: December 08 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 408 |
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Agreed concerning Greenslade and Curved Air; I get so pissed when I listen to them that I don't listen to them! |
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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I had trouble with early CD releases of back-catalogue (i.e. without remastering). I suspect the master tape recordings were transferred directly to CD, forgetting they had been originally mixed down for vinyl. Genesis albums, and in particular the first CD issue of Jean Luc Pony's Enigmatic Ocean, suffer from the drums/percussion (especially the cymbals) being inyerface on the CD and generally being trebly. With more than 12 to 15 minutes per side of 12" vinyl, to enable the mechanical waveform to be compacted onto the disc, the sound had to be clipped. (Note; the expensive true audiophile albums were never longer than 30 minutes). Therefore the top and bottom ends were lost ('compressed') to the listener, i.e at the extremes of normal human hearing, and so less discernable as a sound loss but with some compensation made (e.g boosting middle range): but with the CD version there was a full aural range, so treble end in particular smacks you in the ears.
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Laurent ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 04 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 513 |
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White Light/White Heat - The Velvet Underground
Sounds like it was recorded in a garage. On the Prog Side Nursery Cryme - Genesis A Saucerful of Secrets - Floyd The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other - VDDG Going For The One - Yes I do love all of those albums. |
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Hemispheres ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 22 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 533 |
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that may have been the point |
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salmacis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
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Must say that the old Virgin CDs of the VDGG and Steve Hackett albums sound horrendously flat compared to the new, super remasters, which really open the sound out hugely. 'Trespass' by Genesis still sounds muddy even when remastered though, sadly. It received one of the worst production jobs I've ever heard on a prog album. |
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Trotsky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 25 2004 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Points: 2774 |
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Heh ...I was just whining about this today ... yes the Hendrix remixes
done by Eddie Kramer were awful ... I have to say I prefer the Polydor
packaging of the albums that came out just before Janie and Al Hendrix
won control of the estate ... I was lucky enough to interview Janie
Hendrix just before the remixes came out ... and she actually said that
the estate wanted Jimi's vocals boosted in relation to the rest of the
music so as to make it sound more contemporary ...
I of course, felt that Hendrix wanted that murky sound ... but I was just a year into the job and who was I to argue with Hendrix's sister! ![]() My worst sound quality CD is a Quicksilver Messenger Service best of that sounds like it was recorded off a crackling record ... terrible ... I've got the Henry Cow 90s version of Leg End (I think there's even some re-recorded bassoon by Lindsay Cooper stuck on more than 15 years after the original album ... but not having anything to compare it too, I think it sounds great ... I do agree about Curved Air, but I've never figured out the bashing that the Genesis albums get ... to me, even Trespass meets my (obviously low) standards ... although I will say that the first album could do with some treatment! |
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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Allman Brothers Band - Beginnings
This is the first of their two albums in one package, but the sound seems flat to me, there seems to be no life in them. The music is wonderful, but when I crank the volume up, it sounds bland. I've not heard the original vinyls, so maybe this just what it's like. Everything else is wonderful though. I'm no audiophile though. I did notice a marked improvement in the re-masters of VdGG however, I can hear bits I didn't hear before. And yes, bits is a technical term! |
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Bj-1 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 04 2005 Location: No(r)Way Status: Offline Points: 31661 |
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Asyte2c00 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 15 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2099 |
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The Play On-Fleetwood Mac Kiln House-Fleetwood Mac Most of Green-era Mac was pooorly tansferred to cd.
Also J. Geils remasters suck as well.
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Mongo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 12 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 370 |
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I have a problem with the remaster of Rush's Power Windows. While the remaster does sound cleaner and has more bottom, the top end just kills it for me. This was a pretty bright sounding record to begin with and the remaster just makes it too bright, almost pingy if you know what I mean. The original cd issue seems to have more warmth. I suppose it's what you're used to hearing. Those who've only heard the master would probably find the original too muddy. |
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"The options are ever fewer on the ground these days" Fish
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Mongo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 12 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 370 |
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and I don't even want to talk about Vapor Trails
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"The options are ever fewer on the ground these days" Fish
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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Suggests production on a tight budget, when good multi-tracking was essential but they couldn't afford 24 track or higher???? I think the first Soft machine album sounders even muddier than Trespass, especially with its limited instrument separation - although the handful of track on th Soft Machine compilation, Out-Bloody-Rageous suggests the remastering had improved thing. Don't forget Soft Machine and Hendrix were under the same managementat the end of the 60's and I can imagine Chas Chandler insisting on things being done cheap and quickly - in the same way he and the rest of Animals were required to record half a decade before. |
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Empathy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1864 |
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Vapor Trails was an absolute travesty. Peak limiting at it's worst. Here's a great article about it. I've also recently been noting the surprisingly poor quality of the recording in Todd Rundgren's Utopia. For '74, people were making _much_ better recordings. Maybe they had no budget. |
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Pure Brilliance:
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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Many CD reissues are outrageously bumped, and it's even more painful when you have a neutral system with a sub, it gives a low which dribbles.
Cause Cd are bumped to give a (false) "powerful" low on everybody's little bad system. About Henry cow, i've got the last Legend remaster and it's good, although i don't remember which label it is. Hendrix is not very good, i admit. The best prog CD reissues i know are the Caravan by Deram, Camel remasters, KC is not bad (but already a little bumped, depending on the albums). Bad transfered CDs: -Popol vuh/Coeur de verre (Atrocious, the whole Popol vuh catalogue is currently reissued by SPV -Florian Fricke label- but unfortunatly it's very bad ) -Gong/Flying teapot All teh Cd versions are very poor compared to the vynil. Edited by oliverstoned |
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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Very interesting article indeed. Anyway, ther's a global problem with "rock" CDs, whereas there are much better CDs in the jazz and classical genres. ECM label for example. |
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