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    Posted: February 17 2020 at 07:11
In the realm of classic rock, AOR, hard rock in the pre-punk days of the 70s, it feels more noticeable now in light of modern albums over 60 mins,when you realise how short some of the iconic albums by great bands were. For example, Deep Purple had a few round the 40-42 minute mark, then Machine Head came out and it was only around 37, then Who Do We Think We Are at around 34,35. And when listening to Machine Head this morning after having listened to an album that was 52 minutes,it felt so short, I was just getting into Space Truckin' and then it was over.... :)

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Quality, not quantity.
 
Obviously in those days things were limited by the amount of music you could fit on a vinyl LP. Personally I'd rather have 30-40 minutes of quality, some of todays 70-80 minute CDs feel padded.
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I realise the restrictions of a vinyl LP in the 70s, but you seem to have missed the point I'm making.
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In fifties and begin of sixties LP:s were 30 minutes or less. To me mostly 25-45 minutes albums have always been just fine, of course there are great double LP:s too (for example so much last days talked Trout). But really already in the nineties I paid attention the quality of albums weakened (not every of course) and I think one reason was you can put all the songs in the CD:s you have recorded. Before you just have to leave out "loose" songs just for the limitation of LP:s.
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

I realise the restrictions of a vinyl LP in the 70s, but you seem to have missed the point I'm making.
 
You're saying some classic albums are short, I'm saying I agree basically.
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I've thought about this for a while. The obvious limitations of vinyl clearly kept most albums below 45 minutes (good job when I used one side of a C90 cassette to record them from my mates (one for the oldies! 😆)

However, some bands just scraped over the 30 minute mark at times. I think the classic rock album Rainbow Rising clicked in at just over 33 minutes - but it was concentrated quality, even if getting up every quarter of an hour to turn over the record, set the needle, get the duster out etc. was a pain in the **** that the vinyl crew of today seem to forget! 😆

It is rare that bands trying to fill up an hour, or even more, on an album, don't find themselves having to use filler (good material, but maybe not quite top notch).

Try this out - take any of your favourite modern (post vinyl) albums and see how many good ones become truly special when you restrict them to only around 40 minutes, and discard the odd track or two. I think it shows that sometimes less is more!
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Short and sweet, that's the way I liked them.
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

In the realm of classic rock, AOR, hard rock in the pre-punk days of the 70s, it feels more noticeable now in light of modern albums over 60 mins,when you realise how short some of the iconic albums by great bands were. For example, Deep Purple had a few round the 40-42 minute mark, then Machine Head came out and it was only around 37, then Who Do We Think We Are at around 34,35. And when listening to Machine Head this morning after having listened to an album that was 52 minutes,it felt so short, I was just getting into Space Truckin' and then it was over.... :)

Just an observation, please return now to your normal duties :)
 

I remember walking into the Wherehouse in the very early '90s, and they were proudly displaying Bryan Adams' new CD, which the label had adorned with a huge square sticker that read "OVER 60 MINUTES OF MUSIC!" 

"More minutes" turned into a big deal back then. If we bought a CD and it had no bonus tracks, we felt ripped off. That's exactly the mind set the labels were shooting for as they phased out vinyl and tape. But here's something really, really funny, that we had no idea of at the time.

When Jethro Tull's Crest of a Knave came out, it felt like one of those albums that could have used a couple more songs to round things out. It was still forty-odd minutes, but with its seven songs (even one being ten minutes long), it still felt that way. Back then, we were all about driving around and blasting music, and we'd buy the cassette as soon as we saw it.

In order to push sales of the new compact disc format ($20-22 avg. for singles), Chrysalis omitted "Dogs in the Midwinter" and "The Waking Edge" from the US cassette release only (UK tapes had them). When you got the CD eventually and flipped it over, you saw the proper track order and those two songs were integrated, not tacked on at the end with the (*) and denotation "(Bonus Track)." 

Long story short: Crest of a Knave works much better as a fifty-minute album.
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Gentle Giant were the kings of short - but dense - prog. None of their studio albums were over 40 minutes, and I don't think they even made a song longer than 10 minutes (not counting live stuff).

I have a fairly short attention span, so I find it tough to get into an album that's close to an hour or longer. Although I don't have the attitude that every album must be listened in full every time, so often I have better luck listening to individual tracks than the whole thing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jeffro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2020 at 11:21
Seems like in the cases of the albums that came in at 30-35 minutes, the bands could have come up with one more song of good, maybe even great, quality. Otherwise the band is leaving a lot of unused minutes on that vinyl. 
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Genesis have problems already in seventies with vinyl format, at least Foxtrot & Lamb are really long as in vinyls, and really I won´t let from them anything out!
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Artists like Neal Morse the flower kings and IQ release extremely bloated overly long albums these days. Look at all of our top 30 albums, see anything in common? They’re all under an hour.
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This thread has taken an interesting turn, but I realise I haven't explained myself properly. So let me do it by way of comparison
Yes - Fragile - about 41 mins
Yet their iconic CTTE only about 37.
Same as DP Machine Head, short in comparison to albums close to it by release.
Neil Young's iconic Harvest 37 mins but On The Beach almost 40 mins.
My point was that it seems that so many iconic albums were shorter than albums of the same period by that artist. And maybe that shortness by 3,4 or 5,6 minutes had something to do with these albums becoming iconic. I don't know, just a germinating theory.
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

This thread has taken an interesting turn, but I realise I haven't explained myself properly. So let me do it by way of comparison
Yes - Fragile - about 41 mins
Yet their iconic CTTE only about 37.
Same as DP Machine Head, short in comparison to albums close to it by release.
Neil Young's iconic Harvest 37 mins but On The Beach almost 40 mins.
My point was that it seems that so many iconic albums were shorter than albums of the same period by that artist. And maybe that shortness by 3,4 or 5,6 minutes had something to do with these albums becoming iconic. I don't know, just a germinating theory.
 

I know what you mean, but perhaps a few minutes' difference doesn't seem to be a point of contention with most listeners in the same way that fifteen or twenty-plus minutes' worth of additional music is. 


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Edgar Froese's "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale" (in my humble opinion a legendary album) clocks in at just over 34 minutes


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Edgar Froese's "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale" (in my humble opinion a legendary album) clocks in at just over 34 minutes
 

In every way imaginable!

I just added up Peter Baumann's first solo LP, Romance 76, and it's 32:19!


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Economics and the nature of the business are at play as well. A shorter album means less time to produce, which means more product (sorry for the term) to make available. If you look at the time span between releases, such as Fragile and CTTE, you will see how many albums came out in rapid succession. This helps account for the shortness of the albums.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2020 at 15:24
If I recall correctly, shorter sides also meant better sound levels (on vinyl).  So bands that were defining themselves by great sound as well as great musicianship would not want to put too much material on each side, which would decrease the sound quality of the recording as well.  And I'm sure someone here will let me know if I'm in error.  :)  
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Edgar Froese's "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale" (in my humble opinion a legendary album) clocks in at just over 34 minutes


Now that is exactly the kind of thing I mean and what an amazing album.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2020 at 15:54
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

If I recall correctly, shorter sides also meant better sound levels (on vinyl).  So bands that were defining themselves by great sound as well as great musicianship would not want to put too much material on each side, which would decrease the sound quality of the recording as well.  And I'm sure someone here will let me know if I'm in error.  :)  
 

No, not in error. (:
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