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Matthew _Gill 
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 Topic: UKIP to run riot at the Elections?Posted: February 12 2015 at 13:48 |
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Looks like it so far if this list is anything to go by!
http://www.ranker.com/list/british-general-election-who-are-we-voting-for-/matthewgill Labour and Conservatives right at the bottom too!
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Matthew _Gill
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 08:59 |
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Bit worrying how 3 far-right parties and 3 right-wing party are in the top 6!
Looks like tackling Islamification/Mass immigration is very much the main priority of UK voters.
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Stool Man
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 09:11 |
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The SNP won here (in the constituency I recently moved to ) last time, and the Tory candidate lost his deposit. Same again this time, probably.
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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lazland
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Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13822 |
Posted: February 13 2015 at 09:52 |
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UKIP are not a "far right" party. In the forthcoming election, they will probably attract as many Labour voters as Tory voters. The left in this country make a huge mistake when they equate somebody talking about immigration and political correctness as akin to "fascism". It is ridiculously simplistic and intellectually lazy. Btw, for the avoidance of any confusion, I am a member of Plaid Cymru, a left of centre party 
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Jim Garten
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 10:55 |
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Pre-election polls are shaky at best, but it will be interesting to see how many UKIP seats there are in Parliament post-election.
Given their average candidate, will also be interesting to see how they conduct parliamentary business or whether they are, as I've always thought, a one trick pony with no real grasp of mainstream politics. I dare say, come May, we'll see 
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lazland
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 11:26 |
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I think that having no real grasp of mainstream politics is a positive vote winner these days. |
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AZF
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 11:42 |
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Well if you think my posts on Prog are misinformed, wait until you read me going on about politics!
The biggest thing about Farage is nobody has learnt their lesson. Cleggmania, Greenmania, and in a speech a few days ago Farage kept talking about "Change". IE: The sort of vague "change" that could mean almost anything and people still haven't asked for details. It's like they never learn. Like they always need people to do stuff for them. Always looking up for whatever's next, as opposed to just doing your own thing and trying to avoid as much government interference as possible. (Pirate Party voter reporting in for mockery)
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Padraic
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 12:03 |
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uh... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/has-the-ukip-bubble-burst-new-poll-shows-big-gains-for-labour-and-tories-at-expense-of-lib-dems-and-nigel-farages-party-10041358.html |
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 13:52 |
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Indeed. It was mainstream politics that got us into the mess we're in now. You could argue that if one approach to trying to get things right repeatedly fails, you try something else. That said, UKIP is clearly not the answer for the UK. They would make things considerably worse. Those who think the coalition have screwed them over, would be in for a shock if we ended up with a UKIP government (would never happen) They'd screw them harder than Ron Jeremy, but with less warmth (to quote Malcolm Tucker) I would also agree that they're not a far right party. It's a temptation for many so called liberals to jump on anyone who disagrees with them on a few issues, or even dares to question their position, and accuse them of being a Nazi. It's getting tiresome. To be fair it's more prevelant in the media than in real life. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 13:55 |
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All party leaders and presidential candidates pledge "change" The word "change" was the centre piece of Obama's first election campaign. Thatcher pledged the same, so did Blair. Somethings are a constant though. Whoever's in power and whatever happens to the working class and middle class, the very rich just keep on getting richer and continue to pay less and less tax. Anyone else spot this pattern? Edited by Blacksword - February 13 2015 at 13:56 |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Dean
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 13:57 |
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It seems that "people" don't understand a lot of things, and pollsters understand even less.
As any Lib Dem supporter knows only too well, sticking it to the incumbent party in inconsequential by-elections is not the same as convincing the majority of the population that you can govern the country. First past the post favours a two-party system. If you look at the stats for the 1983 UK election that resulted in a landslide for the Tories winning 397 of the 650 available seats, the third place party (Lib Dems) secured almost the same percentage of the popular vote (25.4%) as the second place party (Labour on 27.6%) yet only managed to win 23 seats compared to Labour's 209. Essentially that's 25% of the population represented by 3.5% of the MPs. These results followed the Lib-Dems achieving a 50% support in the polls 18 months earlier that prompted David Steel's infamous "Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for government!" call that the party conference. The reason for this is simple: you don't get anything for coming second. In urban areas Lib Dems were second to Labour and in rural areas they were second to the Conservatives, this is because they were the viable alternative party in those areas, taking votes from rural-Labourites and urban-Tories. Neither UKIP nor the Greens have even that advantage. UKIPs perceived right-leaning is not due to their views on immigration and anti-Europe stance, they are a right-wing libertarian party, they are not "far right" but they are still right-wing. Similarly, the Greens are not just an environmentalist party, they are a left-leaning socialist party. Yes, both will take votes from Labour and Conservatives, but that is because many voters don't vote on left/right partisanism, (as the vacillation of Labour and Tory election wins illustrates - some people swing both ways). |
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UKIP to run riot at the Elections?
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