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    Posted: March 22 2005 at 14:08
Who do we think is the most copied Style of the big name prog bands.ie:ELP,Yes,Genesis ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 14:16

i hear that marillion take their style from genesis.

the biggest copy cats i have ever seen are symphony x. a bunch of over dramatic dream theater clones who look and dress similar as well as having similar artwork. DT originally put their band logo in every studio album cover and then SX did it too. they are WAY too similar to be original!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 14:16

Originally posted by Zero the hero Zero the hero wrote:

Who do we think is the most copied Style of the big name prog bands.ie:ELP,Yes,Genesis ?

ELP most definitely-I mean they virtually invented elevator music didnt they?Wink

Actually Yes probably.

I can hear Yes' influence in the modern prog-metal bands,and certainly Rush,Styx and Starcastle have increasing degrees of Yes influence.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 14:19
Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

i hear that marillion take their style from genesis.

Yes i agree that Marillion are an excellent band within the Genesis style.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 14:41
The big one is ELP/Triumvirat.........I never did get the Starcastle/Yes link but then I've only heard starcastle once about 7 years ago....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 15:35
Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

the biggest copy cats i have ever seen are symphony x. a bunch of over dramatic dream theater clones who look and dress similar as well as having similar artwork. DT originally put their band logo in every studio album cover and then SX did it too. they are WAY too similar to be original!



And the V cover is very, very similar to DT's Awake-cover.
But it's also similar to Spock's Beard's V.
I don't know who copied from whom, but it's pretty obvious that both SX and Spock's Beard took the idea from the Awake cover.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 15:50
Originally posted by Zero the hero Zero the hero wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

i hear that marillion take their style from genesis.

Yes i agree that Marillion are an excellent band within the Genesis style.

While I agree that Marillion are an excellent band, I wouldn't go looking for similarities with Genesis, as they are very few and far between. In fact, the sound is nothing like Genesis - the only similarities I can think of is that Fish used to paint his face, and they once covered "I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) - but they never released that or any other cover.

I would say that Marillion's sound with Fish was unique.

In fact, I truly believe that people get them mixed up with IQ, who did initially sound remarkably similar to early Genesis.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 15:53

I'd have to say ELP.  Emerson basically made the synthesizer an acceptable instrument.  Yes were highly influential too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 15:53
Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

The big one is ELP/Triumvirat.........I never did get the Starcastle/Yes link but then I've only heard starcastle once about 7 years ago....
How about ELP/Trace. A lot of people think that Rick van Der Linden is better than Emerson. But at the same time Emerson is largely self-taught, learning to play piano at a young age by the "little old ladies" in the nieghborhood where he grew up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 16:04
Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:


the biggest copy cats i have ever seen are symphony x. a bunch of over dramatic dream theater clones who look and dress similar as well as having similar artwork. DT originally put their band logo in every studio album cover and then SX did it too. they are WAY too similar to be original!



Except that they don't actually sound like Dream Theater  And chances are that they didnt actually design their own cover art
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 16:12
Yes and ELP because in some ways it's an easier sound to reproduce than something like the second era of King Crimson.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 16:54
The Flower Kings always remind me of Yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 17:26

Yes and Genesis are the most copied bands.ELP had their seventies 'clone' Trimuvirat but very few bands have tried to copy their format of drums,keyboards,bass and NO lead guitar.UK did it for one album (Danger Money) and latterly Arsnova have the same format although both bands steered away from being ELP copycats and had or have their own style.

I would say the most cribbed peice of music is Genesis 'Squonk'.I hear that a lot in modern (post 1980) prog.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 17:33
Some of Glass Hammer and Spock's Beard remind me of Yes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 17:46

I'm surprised at what I'm hearing.  If I had to name the band whose influence I hear more broadly than any other in more neo-prog and neo-neo-prog - including prog metal, and including non-english-speaking prog - there is absolutely no question it is Pink Floyd.  Sure, there is broad influence from Genesis, Yes, Moody Blues, King Crimson, ELP, and even Gentle Giant (more than most people know, especially in non-english-speaking prog).  But Pink Floyd remains without question the broadest influence in the broadest number, and even types, of bands.  I hear it in bands as disparate as Marillion, The Church, Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Ayreon, IQ, Pendragon, Arena - I could go on and on.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 17:46

good thing Star Castle hasnt been mentioned yet, i actually like them quite a bit

i kind of think they have their own sound, similarities to Yes, but a clone, i dont think so

I actually think their similarities are a combination of old Yes and new Yes (Ladder album)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 17:58
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

I'm surprised at what I'm hearing.  If I had to name the band whose influence I hear more broadly than any other in more neo-prog and neo-neo-prog - including prog metal, and including non-english-speaking prog - there is absolutely no question it is Pink Floyd.  Sure, there is broad influence from Genesis, Yes, Moody Blues, King Crimson, ELP, and even Gentle Giant (more than most people know, especially in non-english-speaking prog).  But Pink Floyd remains without question the broadest influence in the broadest number, and even types, of bands.  I hear it in bands as disparate as Marillion, The Church, Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Ayreon, IQ, Pendragon, Arena - I could go on and on.

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Actually come to think of it - I would have to agree to some extent with what you have said. As I reply,  I am listening to Porcupine Tree who do have some Pink Floyd in there as well as "Grunge". Ayreon is most notably Pink Floyd influenced ( I read where he would love to have David Gilmour participate in one of his projects!). Pink Floyd's influence is far ranging but then so is Yes. How about a 50/50 split


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 18:04

While were on the subject of Pink Floyd.Don't we all love the scissors sisters for totally destroying a perfectly good Floyd track.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 18:10
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by Zero the hero Zero the hero wrote:

Who do we think is the most copied Style of the big name prog bands.ie:ELP,Yes,Genesis ?

ELP most definitely-I mean they virtually invented elevator music didnt they?Wink

Actually Yes probably.

I can hear Yes' influence in the modern prog-metal bands,and certainly Rush,Styx and Starcastle have increasing degrees of Yes influence.

if ELP make elevator music then i sure would like to be stuck in elevators quite often.

The one thing about ELP is that boring is not a word you would most likely use about them.Starcastle are a better band than Yes ever where at least starcaslte write tunes..Big smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2005 at 18:17
Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

The big one is ELP/Triumvirat.........I never did get the Starcastle/Yes link but then I've only heard starcastle once about 7 years ago....


I'm surprised. I first heard Starcastle by accident on BBC Radio Teesside in 1977 or 78, turning on in the middle of one of their tunes (first album?). Having never heard the band before and having somewhat lost it with Yes, I really thought with  dodgy radio reception I was listening to something from  the latest Yes album and thought this was Yes back to the pre-Topoceans period. However, the vocalist was not quite Anderson - however, with the likes of  Dylan and his motor cycle accident and subsequent voice change, you get to wonder.......but the rest seemed very Yes-like.  Probably my first acquaintance with a prog band clone. However, by Real To Reel Starcastle had to started to move away from sounding too Yes, but the soft rock of some of that album's tunes, had me (then please note) thinking of the pop rock of Bad CompanyLOL
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