Debut Albums - Progressive Rock Music Forum

Script, ITCOTCK, Piper

I don't care how inconsistent Piper is - it has a unique charm and is madly experimental. It encapsultes not only an era, but also means of self-expression through music that are many-fold and more complex than a casual listen would suggest.

ITCOTCK - speaks for itself, really. Groundbreaking, a landmark - arguably the first prog rock album proper, superlative execution of carefully thought-out and composed music, and varied in style. The only drawback is the production - although even that can be argued to have a nostalgic charm. Like Piper, it does suffer a little from inconsistency.

Script just has it all (apart from the drums, maybe - but nothing's perfect). Driven by Fish's inspirational lyrics and strong melodies, close attention to drama, both lyrically and musically, Script is more convincingly in the progressive rock domain than Piper or ITCOTCK. It both shows and explores possibilites in rock song writing, rather than getting distracted by wierd sojurns into other genres or feeling the need to impress the audience with OTT virtuosity. A clear example of where the music is everything and the show is simply something to highlight the expression of the music rather than the other way around. There are simply no consistency issues with Script - it is a near-perfect unfolding of musical ideas supporting the lyrical events in the life of an archetype.

Crimson closely followed by ELP.

I prefer Rush's debut (some good zeppelin-esque tunes), but from the choices I'd say Marillion.

In The Court Of The Crimson King ... even though Piper At The Gates is a unique document of psychedelic rock ... and recently I've found myself enjoying both the ELP and GG self-titled debuts when both bands seems to be at their least self-conscious (and still made outstanding music!)

"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”

"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."

Hard choice, ITCOCK, elp, gentle giant are the best of the ones ive heard but in the end ill give it up to GG. If anyone votes FGTR by genesis ill faint

ITCOTCK!

then Hybris

then Piper

ELP's debut is without a doubt fantastic but i would vote for Genesis 'Trespass' if it were the debut,shame it was'nt.

My vote is for "Piper At the Gates of Dawn", too.

Got to be King crimson's debut without a doubt.

"ITCHYCOCK" and "PATGOD"

Marmalade...I like marmalade.

Poll Question: What is the best debut album by any prog band below?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
King Crimson- In The Court Of The Crimson King	141	[43.12%]
Yes- Yes	8	[2.45%]
ELP- Emserson, Lake, Palmer	41	[12.54%]
Frank Zappa- Freak Out	3	[0.92%]
Genesis- From Genesis To Revelation	3	[0.92%]
Gentle Giant- Gentle Giant	10	[3.06%]
Jethro Tull- This Was	3	[0.92%]
Van Der Graaf Generator- The Aerosol Grey Machine	2	[0.61%]
Anglagard- Hybris	19	[5.81%]
Pink Floyd- The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn	22	[6.73%]
Marillion- Script For A Jester’s Tear	62	[18.96%]
Sock’s Bread- The Light	13	[3.98%]
This topic is closed, no new votes accepted

Author	Message Topic Search Topic Options Post Reply Create New Topic Printable Version Translate Topic
Metropolis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: December 20 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 760	Posted: March 18 2005 at 06:54
	Gotta go with ITCHYCOCK
	We Lost the Skyline............

Certif1ed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559	Posted: March 18 2005 at 06:53
	Script, ITCOTCK, Piper I don't care how inconsistent Piper is - it has a unique charm and is madly experimental. It encapsultes not only an era, but also means of self-expression through music that are many-fold and more complex than a casual listen would suggest. ITCOTCK - speaks for itself, really. Groundbreaking, a landmark - arguably the first prog rock album proper, superlative execution of carefully thought-out and composed music, and varied in style. The only drawback is the production - although even that can be argued to have a nostalgic charm. Like Piper, it does suffer a little from inconsistency. Script just has it all (apart from the drums, maybe - but nothing's perfect). Driven by Fish's inspirational lyrics and strong melodies, close attention to drama, both lyrically and musically, Script is more convincingly in the progressive rock domain than Piper or ITCOTCK. It both shows and explores possibilites in rock song writing, rather than getting distracted by wierd sojurns into other genres or feeling the need to impress the audience with OTT virtuosity. A clear example of where the music is everything and the show is simply something to highlight the expression of the music rather than the other way around. There are simply no consistency issues with Script - it is a near-perfect unfolding of musical ideas supporting the lyrical events in the life of an archetype.

Forgotten Son Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: March 13 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1356	Posted: March 18 2005 at 05:29
	Script for me, every time. Great debut album with one of the best opening lines of any album: "So here I am once more...". Great stuff.

richardh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28265	Posted: March 18 2005 at 05:23
	Crimson closely followed by ELP.

Calvo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 25 2005 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 127	Posted: March 18 2005 at 04:23
	Spock's Beard - "The Light"

Cygnus X-2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 24 2004 Location: Bucketheadland Status: Offline Points: 21342	Posted: March 17 2005 at 23:31
	I prefer Rush's debut (some good zeppelin-esque tunes), but from the choices I'd say Marillion.


gdub411 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: August 24 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3484	Posted: March 17 2005 at 23:28
	A close race between Script and ITCHYCOCK...I gave it to Marillion.

Trotsky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 25 2004 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Points: 2771	Posted: March 17 2005 at 22:15
	In The Court Of The Crimson King ... even though Piper At The Gates is a unique document of psychedelic rock ... and recently I've found myself enjoying both the ELP and GG self-titled debuts when both bands seems to be at their least self-conscious (and still made outstanding music!)
	"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."

dropForge Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 24 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 608	Posted: March 17 2005 at 21:52
	Gotta go with ELP. I love KC, but I prefer the era beginning with Larks'...

Hangedman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: November 03 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1261	Posted: March 17 2005 at 21:20
	Hard choice, ITCOCK, elp, gentle giant are the best of the ones ive heard but in the end ill give it up to GG. If anyone votes FGTR by genesis ill faint

maani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632	Posted: March 17 2005 at 20:43
	Who's "Sock's Bread?"...

BebieM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: November 01 2004 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 854	Posted: March 17 2005 at 18:54
	ITCOTCK! then Hybris then Piper

Valarius Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 08 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 1480	Posted: March 17 2005 at 18:51
	Soon as Dream Theater's "When Dream And Day Unite" isn't there, I went with Yes' "Yes".

3rd Impression Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: March 17 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 45	Posted: March 17 2005 at 17:53
	ELP's debut is without a doubt fantastic but i would vote for Genesis 'Trespass' if it were the debut,shame it was'nt.

Possessed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: July 10 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 430	Posted: March 17 2005 at 17:47
	Marillion - Script For A Jester's Tear. What a great debut!

Winterfamily Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: March 13 2005 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 85	Posted: March 17 2005 at 17:28
	My vote is for "Piper At the Gates of Dawn", too.

Kaztor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: January 19 2005 Status: Offline Points: 61	Posted: March 17 2005 at 17:24
	I voted for King Crimson. Soft Machine Volume 1 should've been added.

3rd Impression Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: March 17 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 45	Posted: March 17 2005 at 17:09
	Got to be King crimson's debut without a doubt.

James Lee Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 05 2004 Status: Offline Points: 3525	Posted: March 17 2005 at 17:05
	I'm gonna go for Sock's Bread. Besides the fact that the misspelling made me laugh (I'm a simpleton, I know), I think "The Light" is an amazing debut album, sounding like a fully-realized band at their peak. I don't think SB ever did any better. KC's debut is classic, but since it's not among my favorite KC albums I can't honestly vote for it. But it was outstandingly original, and arguably started prog. ELP's debut is still my favorite album by the band, but again- it's not without flaws, and doesn't really represent the 'sound' of ELP as well as other released. The same goes for Freak Out and Piper: great albums and impressive debuts but not really what the respective bands were all about, or came to be about.


Cluster One Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: February 03 2005 Status: Offline Points: 780	Posted: March 17 2005 at 16:52
	"ITCHYCOCK" and "PATGOD"
	Marmalade...I like marmalade.