your 5 worst prog artists

1) ELP after Brain Salad Surgery

2) Marillion

3) Flower Kings

4) Rick Wakeman's solo output (pure CRAP!)

5) Soft Machine after #5 - BOOOOORRRRRRIIIINNNNNGGGG!

 

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Trouserpress wrote:   Trouserpress wrote: 1. ELP (So much music, so little worth listening to) 2. Rush (Just SHUT UP ALREADY!) 3. Dream Theatre (Well, I just don't dig prog metal that isn't PoS really) 4. Glass Hammer (Pure unadulterated CHEESE) 5. Genesis (Quite simply, o-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d) Goodness me you're right! Just taking a look in my currently shared mp3 folder I see how mistaken I am! That's a fine collection of hip hop and r n' b if ever I saw it!

Amen, to both.

richardh wrote: Although I agree with Dream Theater,to include ELP,Genesis and Rush is laughable.Why do you bother even coming here?

Let him alone; I don't even really KNOW any of those bands well (GASP!!!!!) but I still write reviews and enjoy many OTHER prog bands. I don't think there should be some kind of entry test (You must enjoy THESE particular bands!) in order to post/contribute here.

I'll take your word for that Reed ,but I don't understand it,even on the issue of taste.To me it's like claiming to be a fan of football and then claiming that Man U,Chelsea and Arsenal are rubbish.

They are....British football is a joke, one stolen FIFA World Cup Title in 1966 and nothing else.  Thanks to british football fans its hard to buy a beer near a soccer stadion anywhere in the world nowadays.

This forum is becoming more and more a fan site where people stop sharing information on Prog Rock and instead defend their own taste with childish passion. All the mainstream bands have been mentioned in this "I hate" thread except from Camel and Focus. Maybe these 2 bands werent big enough to be hated, and the feeling I get is that the Prog Metal fans "pick" on the old-time Prog Rock bands and Prog Rock fans hates these Metal bands....Denying the technical quality of bands mentioned (Genesis, Yes, ELP, King Crimson, Moody Blues, Rick Wakemans solo career, Patric Moraz, Frank Zappa, Jetro Tull et all) is IMO pretty foolish, and isnt this thread being used  to pick on eachother ?

Pixel; Tangerine Dream is overrated allright, its because only 2-3 forum members have heard the whole discography and can really discuss any matter concerning the band. Maybe you and I are the only ones that know as a fact that Edgar Froese is 100 times a more refined guitar player than David Gilmore.

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FloydWright wrote: richardh wrote: Although I agree with Dream Theater,to include ELP,Genesis and Rush is laughable.Why do you bother even coming here? Let him alone; I don't even really KNOW any of those bands well (GASP!!!!!) but I still write reviews and enjoy many OTHER prog bands. I don't think there should be some kind of entry test (You must enjoy THESE particular bands!) in order to post/contribute here.

you forgot rule #1: If you don't consider ELP the best band ever you don't belong here (because you have no music taste and/or are too stupid for their music).

My worst of the worst:

1. ELP

2. Styx

3. Van Der Graff Generator

4. Frank Zappa

5. Starcastle

greenback wrote: Lunarscape wrote: [QUOTE] Pixel; Tangerine Dream is overrated allright, its because only 2-3 forum members have heard the whole discography and can really discuss any matter concerning the band. pixel was just joking So was I      Maybe you and I are the only ones that know as a fact that Edgar Froese is 100 times a more refined guitar player than David Gilmore. edgar does not use many pedal effects on his sound. david sounds much better. edgar is at his best on pergamon, underwater sunlight and tyger So Anyway, Froese is 100 times more skilled as a guitar player than Glimour ! ______ Lunar

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threefates wrote: Trouserpress wrote: Goodness me you're right! Just taking a look in my currently shared mp3 folder I see how mistaken I am! That's a fine collection of hip hop and r n' b if ever I saw it! That says nothing about your definition, just what you've tried....and evidently not what you liked

Well, if you were to look up the majority of those artists on this site you'd find them, but if that doesn't satisfy you then I'll give it a go:

For me, Progressive Rock is not a genre. It is freedom from such tired boundaries. It's musical liberation - artists creating the music they want to create, without giving a toss as to what the record companies want. But obviously it's not as simple as that. No doubt some musicians want to play typical music from this genre or that, and if they're happy doing that then leave them to it, say I. But to really begin making prog first an artist has to be free from the restrictions of categorisation. They need to be able to use whatever styles, whatever instruments, whatever compositional techniques they wish.

Secondly, they need to be DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. And that's the big one for me. Progressive music is about originality and experimentation. Pushing the boundaries, testing the water. Now, the whole argument of "Well, if that's what you think then every time a band sounds the same on two records they stop being Prog" is misguided and rendundant. The fact is that group has already done it! They've created a new sound, all of their own! Why on Earth should they change it? Why not just explore it a little deeper? Gentle Giant being a fantastic case in point. They didn't stop being Progressive after Octopus, because their sound didn't alter particularly until several albums later. They stopped when they STOPPED PLAYING UNUSUAL MUSIC. That's all Prog really is. It's the pioneering spirit. The "f**k the lot of you! I'll play what I want!" attitude.

Now, I have never once doubted that ELP or Genesis have played some Prog in their time. One listen to Brain Salad Surgery or Supper's Ready certainly dispells that theory. BUT I don't really like them. I'll explain why. Firstly, ELP:

1. Their Interesting to Cheesey ratio I find personally quite poor.
2. Personally, I find Greg Lake to be quite an unexciting musician. He's a capable bassist, he's a tolerable singer, he's a lousy lyricist.
3. Emerson's keyboard style leaves me cold, quite frankly. Big showy arpeggio runs, comparatively simplistic melodies. He's good at what he does, but what he does I don't much care for.
4. Overall they come across as being quite vacuous and, dare I say it, unartistic. It's rather a case of style over content, I feel. No bones to pick with Carl, but he certainly doesn't make up for the many faults I find in their output.

Genesis:

1. Their overall sound is cold and listless. It does NOTHING for me.
2. I didn't live in the 70's, I never saw the shows, and though they were no doubt a fantastic spectacle, that doesn't make up for the fact that:
3. Their overall sound is cold and listless. It does NOTHING for me.
4. Phil Collins.
5. Phil Collins.
6. Their overall sound is cold and listless. It does NOTHING for me.

So, there we are. I've stated my case quite clearly. I'd be extremely grateful if you could leave me alone now, threefates. I KNOW you will disagree with about much of what I've said, but please can't we agree to differ? We're from different sides of the spectrum (it's a big old world of prog, remember). You like the pomp and the spectacle and will take the Big Names from the time any day. I like the obscuriosities (sorry, but I think that's a lovely made up word and it stays) and oddities in prog. The strange music. Music that truly boggles the mind. I couldn't give a toss about how many records they sold. All I am asking as that you RESPECT my opinion and stop accusing me of not being a real prog fan. 90% of the music I listen to is categorised as prog. And I listen to a lot of music. That, I think you'll find, makes me a Prog fan, regardless of ELP.


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Vibrationbaby wrote: Joren wrote: Gentle Giant one of the worst prog bands, Lucas?  Those guys made some of the best rock music ever! Soft Machine? Man, you hate all my favourite bands, don't you? And, what?! FRANK ZAPPA?! [NO COMMENTS ON THAT ONE] How about MARILLION? I think he likes Marillion since he was using the cover of Misplaced Childhood as his avatar last year for a while. Still, Lucas explain yourself on how Gentle Giant makes it on to your list of crap prog bands

About GG : I never said they are a 'crap' band. I just don't like them. The main reason are the vocals (not the canon vocals that are subtely arranged) but the main vocals, which are some of the less agreable I have ever heard, the music is however OK, although a bit dated at times. I prefer listen to troubadour music from the Middle-Age than their music.

About Zappa : first, I don't understand why he dares to sing on his albums, there is nothing mesmerizing in his vocals. Second, his guitar solos are boring (although he is a very good guitarist) and don't sound very pleasant to my ears (you know, I like when the music doesn't hurt my ears).

About Soft Machine : terrible vocals and lack of cohesion, music that drummers can enjoy but otherwise I don't think it's the kind of music that you want to listen to for your pleasure.

About Marillion : I discovered prog with Fish-era Marillion and I still listen to them with a great pleasure. The first four Marillion albums are simply amazing, in terms of vocals, music and lyrics. And once more, I don't judge an album regarding its degree of complexity (although for me the more an album is complex and weird, yes that's the word, like it's the case for most of the RIO releases, the less I want to listen to it). But you are right, the current works of Marillion are pure crap, the magic of their earlier albums has definitely disappeared.

lucas wrote: Cinema wrote: My worst of the worst: 1. ELP 2. Styx 3. Van Der Graff Generator 4. Frank Zappa 5. Starcastle Glad to see I am not the only to confess not to like Zappa.

with starcastle, the only problem i see is the real to reel album

VDGG?------->