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threefates
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 08:34 |
Trouserpress wrote:
richardh wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
1. ELP (So much music, so little worth listening to) 2. Rush (Just SHUT UP ALREADY!) 3. Dream Theatre (Well, I just don't dig prog metal that isn't PoS really) 4. Glass Hammer (Pure unadulterated CHEESE) 5. Genesis (Quite simply, o-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d)
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Although I agree with Dream Theater,to include ELP,Genesis and Rush is laughable.Why do you bother even coming here?
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Because I am a huge fan of progressive rock, maybe?
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Then evidently you have your own definition of what prog rock is!! 
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THIS IS ELP
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Radioactive Toy
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 08:38 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
Radioactive - Your dislike covers a whole range of music there !
Does all DT, ELP, Porcupine, Saga, Marillion deserve your disdain - In my list I Have stated that the dischord of Bands like VDGG tends to put-me off, I am not ELP's biggest fan but they have produced some top-notch prog moments non-the-less ! |
You're right.. And elp.. yes they do!.. but really not for me!..
steve wilson? please.. he's just making money.. not music!
dream theatre? look at me.. playing guitar like no-one has ever done before!!!! (music??)
saga + marillion? not bad .. Just not an personal fav... I guess
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 09:18 |
I haven't heard Saga for a long while.....I used to like it when in my teens - I may get around to listening to it - But I have a problem at the moment - trying to sample as many prog artists as possible -thus I spend all my time listening to new things !
Warning - That Mars Volta new CD - The first two tracks were so weird I had to listen to some Classical music to re-assure my brain that I hadn't developed tinitus.....How naybody can enjoy such noise is worrying - I'm definately keeping the CD handy though - to frighten my wife/kids with when they peck-my-head......
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lucas
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 10:42 |
My 10 worst prog artists :
Frank Zappa
Gentle giant
Mostly autumn (where is the link with prog ?)
Karnataka (very far from the lush music of Clannad or Iona)
The tangent / Karmakanic
Soft Machine
Satellite
Lizard
Anglagard
Sinkadus
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 11:32 |
This is funny. Wakeman, Jethro Tull, Genesis, Yes, among the worst artist? I don't understand a thing. Its ok to dislike them, but deni its musical quality is outreogeous. But since everybody is entitled to an opinion, here I go: |
I agree with Mirco, one thing is not to like ELP, Genesis or Yes, but not recognizing their quaslity is incredible IMO.
Iván
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richardh
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 12:18 |
Reed Lover wrote:
RichardH:
It is a testimony to the eclectic nature of Progressive Rock that some of the "big-hitters" are disliked by many of the members.It is a matter of taste.Why should it be unacceptable to dislike Rush,ELP and Genesis,but OK to hate Dream Theater,Triumvirat and Amon Duul?

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I'll take your word for that Reed ,but I don't understand it,even on the issue of taste.To me it's like claiming to be a fan of football and then claiming that Man U,Chelsea and Arsenal are rubbish.
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greenback
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 12:24 |
first of all, i must say this exercise is very representative of our personality!
second of all, i was right: "for every band, there is at least one hater!" Should i rectify: "for every record...."
finally, i've just learned much more about you in this thread than any other time! IT IS YOUR SIGNATURE!
and Swinton, man, we have many points in common: you hate VDGG, godspeed and mars volta, and you like many bands i like!! however, there are some excellent avant garde stuff: i recommend you univers zero: i think you should like it!
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[HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!>
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 12:45 |
lucas wrote:
My 10 worst prog artists :
Frank Zappa
Gentle giant
Mostly autumn (where is the link with prog ?)
Karnataka (very far from the lush music of Clannad or Iona)
The tangent / Karmakanic
Soft Machine
Satellite
Lizard
Anglagard
Sinkadus
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What! Gentle Giant one of the worst prog artists. I think I am going to have to sit this one out.  Gentle Giant? What kind of drugs are you on Lucas?
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Dick Heath
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 12:56 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
lucas wrote:
My 10 worst prog artists :
Frank Zappa
Gentle giant
Mostly autumn (where is the link with prog ?)
Karnataka (very far from the lush music of Clannad or Iona)
The tangent / Karmakanic
Soft Machine
Satellite
Lizard
Anglagard
Sinkadus
| What! Gentle Giant one of the worst prog artists. I think I am going to have to sit this one out. Gentle Giant? What kind of drugs are you on Lucas? |

Reed you noticed the folkie, Fairport Convention cover featured prominently there - suggests Lucas might have found his way on to the wrong discussion group.....................
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Joren
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 13:08 |
gdub411 wrote:
1. Saga
2. Tangerine Dream..way over-rated
3. Styx
4. Yes...I do not get the facination with these guys
5. Captain Beefheart...just too much for me to handle there.
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that it's too much to handle for you, that means Captain Beefheart is one of the worst prog bands? ... that's just stupid
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Joren
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 13:12 |
Gentle Giant one of the worst prog bands, Lucas? Those guys made some of the best rock music ever! 
Soft Machine? Man, you hate all my favourite bands, don't you?
And, what?! FRANK ZAPPA?! [NO COMMENTS ON THAT ONE]
How about MARILLION?

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AngelRat
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 13:27 |
Actually life is too short to hate, there is a time and a place in this universe for everything. But in an attempt at some serious information, I must admit not being too fond of Styx, Cairo, The Flower Kings and I think other people rate Spock's Beard much higher than I ever would.
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Syzygy
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 13:34 |
Rick Wakeman solo
Spock's Beard
Glass Hammer
Dream Theatre
Styx
Thet're about the only ones I can think of where I honestly don't like a single thing they've done - and I sometimes think that Spock's beard and Glass Hammer are actually the same band.
Most of my favourites, particularly Magma and Can, seem to be getting dissed left, right and centre. Oh well, you can lead neo prog fans to music but you can't make them think.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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JrKASperov
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 13:38 |
Marillion (empty)
Asia (pop)
Dream Theater (fake)
I don't know anything else that bores me. YET
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Epic.
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Joren
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 13:39 |
Syzygy wrote:
Most of my favourites, particularly Magma and Can, seem to be getting dissed left, right and centre. Oh well, you can lead neo prog fans to music but you can't make them think.
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Yes, most people who hate those bands, just don't "get" their music... I'm afraid it's too hard to understand for them...
same goes for Zappa, Beefheart and lots more...
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Reed Lover
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 14:16 |
richardh wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
RichardH:
It is a testimony to the eclectic nature of Progressive Rock that some of the "big-hitters" are disliked by many of the members.It is a matter of taste.Why should it be unacceptable to dislike Rush,ELP and Genesis,but OK to hate Dream Theater,Triumvirat and Amon Duul?

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I'll take your word for that Reed ,but I don't understand it,even on the issue of taste.To me it's like claiming to be a fan of football and then claiming that Man U,Chelsea and Arsenal are rubbish.
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No it is not the same at all Richard!
You can see that say, Man Utd are better than Liverpool if they have beat them and are a higher position in the league.Even then do you remember the taunts of boring,boring Arsenal when they won the league under George Graham?The merit of one band over another is even more difficult to define:
Musicianship? Steve Vai is technically superior to most (Prog) guitarists yet how many here rate his music?Or acknowledge that he actually creates music?
Album sales: we all know that popularity is not necessarily a sign of quality.
It is a matter of taste.Even Genesis-if you hate their music you entitled to think they are inferior.I hate Steve Vai's music and he can have all the talent in the world,but to me as a recording artist he is a waste of talent-so i write him off. The later work of Miles Davis is too off-the-wall for my tastes,so in my opinion it is just a wall of noise-a terrible racket!! Opinion,opinion,opinion.There are no facts.
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 14:24 |
Is Steve Vai like Joe Satriani - He was supposed to be the finest Guitarist and all that - But I found his music about as appealing as having an angry funnel-web spider inside my gruddies.....
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gdub411
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 14:34 |
Joren wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
1. Saga
2. Tangerine Dream..way over-rated
3. Styx
4. Yes...I do not get the facination with these guys
5. Captain Beefheart...just too much for me to handle there.
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that it's too much to handle for you, that means Captain Beefheart is one of the worst prog bands? ... that's just stupid
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Just my tastes Joren.....chill!!
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gdub411
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 14:37 |
gdub411 wrote:
Joren wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
1. Saga
2. Tangerine Dream..way over-rated
3. Styx
4. Yes...I do not get the facination with these guys
5. Captain Beefheart...just too much for me to handle there.
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that it's too much to handle for you, that means Captain Beefheart is one of the worst prog bands? ... that's just stupid
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Just my tastes Joren.....chill!!
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You Know what Joren...strike Capt Beefheart....I forgot about Spock's Beard...
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Joren
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 14:40 |
that's a better idea, yes! 

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