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lucas
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Posted: April 20 2004 at 15:52 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Steve Morse Band
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Actually, Steve Morse has headed a little away from his jazz-fusion debuts in Dixie Dregs in his trio and the Steve Morse Band plays more of a melodic heavy-prog stuff. I think Dixie Dregs' "What if" is a must-have for every fusion fan. Moreover I would recommend the following artists for someone looking for the most complicated stuff :
SPASTIC INK : "Ink complete" (very unique and truly mind-blowing)
DEREK SHERINIAN : "Planet X" (with the incomparable Virgil Donati on drums)
THE BRECKER BROTHERS : "Heavy-metal be-bop" (With another amazing drummer : Terry Bozzio)
ZAPPA : "live in NYC 1977" (once again with Bozzio)
THE NEW TONY WILLIAMS LIFETIME : "Believe it" (with the genial Holdsworth on the guitar)
AL DI MEOLA: the first three albums
COLOSSEUM II : "Strange new flesh" (Gary Moore on top form)
ISOTOPE : "Deep end"
NATHAN MAHL : "Heretik volume III : the sentence"
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: April 20 2004 at 22:14 |
Don't forget Kazumi Watanabe. The Japanese Jeff Beck. His early stuff is incredible and has a killer vibe. Any of the MOBO albums are great, but the Spice of Life (and SOL Too) has Bruford and Jeff Berlin.
Frank Gambale and Scott Henderson smoke......
Al Di Meola - Early stuff.
Carl Verheyen - Garage Sale, No Borders....
Chad Wackerman - Forty Reasons - Holdsworth's best non-Holdsworth album.
Gongzilla - Suffer.
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Hammar
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Posted: April 21 2004 at 06:40 |
Velvetclown wrote:
Well Holdsworth never stayed long in any combos.
U.K-Soft Machine-Jean-Luc Ponty-Gong........
Yes Hammar, Cosmic Messenger is also a great album Heja Norge
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Greetings Velvetclown! Skal du til Slottskogen Goes Progressive i August??
Holdsworth sticked to him self for a while at least.... Late 70's Gong is also something to check out!!
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Hammar
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Posted: April 21 2004 at 06:50 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Yeah I saw Ponty open up for Supertramp and Egocentric Molecules but it wasn't Holdsworth on guitar unfortunately. |
You b****rd!! Did you ever see Ponty with Mahavishnu?? Gee, I was grown in the wrong decade!!
Danbo: What do you recommend of Gambale? I've only got Passages and it's ok.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 21 2004 at 06:53 |
Velvetclown wrote:
Well Holdsworth never stayed long in any combos.
U.K-Soft Machine-Jean-Luc Ponty-Gong........
Yes Hammar, Cosmic Messenger is also a great album Heja Norge
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The maestro doesn't need to. Btw check out everyone of the Holdsworth
releases (unprecedented, especially the the two live albums, at the top
my list) of the last 2 years;
"All Night Wrong" (Sony)
"Then!" (Alternity)
"Flat Tire" (Megazoidal)
Soft Works (2002 recording with former Machinists) (Moon June)
New Tony Williams Lifetime: " Believe It" (reissue with 2 bonus tracks) (Sony Jazz Remasters)
"Road Games" (CD issue) (Gnarly Geezer)
(And of course part of the Soft Machine: "BBC 1971-74")
Gary Husband during a radio interview with me, reckons there is another
live album in the can - btw check out Husband's Holdsworth tribute
"Things I See" (Art Of Life ). There are also rumours of a recording
with Buckethead in the offing.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 21 2004 at 07:54 |
I would agree with Hammar, earlier in this thread regarding 'Spectrum' by Billy Cobham, but I'd also go for Electric Savage, by Colosseum II (again, Gary Moore on fine form & just listen to Hiseman on the closing 'interstellar strut').
I may have missed it, but I don't think anyone has mentioned the seminal Weather Report yet. To get an idea what a fusion powerhouse this band was, get a hold of their 1978 live album '8:30', all 4 of them at the height of their powers, especially Pastorius.
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Velvetclown
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Posted: April 21 2004 at 08:08 |
Nej Hammar tyvärr, skall resa till Skottland i augusti
Sorry for including some Klingon lingo in here
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Peter
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Posted: April 21 2004 at 08:31 |
Jim Garten wrote:
I would agree with Hammar, earlier in this thread regarding 'Spectrum' by Billy Cobham, but I'd also go for Electric Savage, by Colosseum II (again, Gary Moore on fine form & just listen to Hiseman on the closing 'interstellar strut').
I may have missed it, but I don't think anyone has mentioned the seminal Weather Report yet. To get an idea what a fusion powerhouse this band was, get a hold of their 1978 live album '8:30', all 4 of them at the height of their powers, especially Pastorius. |
I did! Nyah Nyah nyah!
Yeah, Weather Report were great, especially in the Jaco days.
Sad, his coke-fueled ignominious demise.... That white powder is concentrated evil!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Hammar
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Posted: April 21 2004 at 08:43 |
I did too , but such a band deserves to be mentioned more than one time! Anyone heard the selftitled Jaco album?? Puh, he might be my favourite bass-player!!
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: April 21 2004 at 10:50 |
Jaco was the Hendrix of the Bass guitar. He played some unbelievable stuff. Ever hear the Metheny album he did with Bob Moses? I wish I still had that one; Bright Size Life, I think?
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: April 21 2004 at 11:00 |
Hammar wrote:
[Danbo: What do you recommend of Gambale? I've only got Passages and it's ok.
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I had Thunder from Down Under, the Great Explorers and MVP: Truth in Shredding (Just re-issued).
MVP (Mark Varney Project) had Holdsworth and Gambale. Steve Tavaglione plays some great sax and EWI, BTW. The problem I had with the album was Holdsworth and Gambale didn't actually play together in the same room, trading solos. That spontaneity would have been incredible.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 21 2004 at 11:34 |
danbo wrote:
Jaco was the Hendrix of the Bass guitar. He played some unbelievable stuff. Ever hear the Metheny album he did with Bob Moses? I wish I still had that one; Bright Size Life, I think?
[IMG]height=360 src="http://www.jacopastorius.com/images/scrapbook/photos/sc rapbook_photo008.jpg" width=263> |
Another album worth hearing for his work is Joni Mitchell's 'Shadows & Light'
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arqwave
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Posted: April 21 2004 at 14:13 |
you must start with Chick Corea and return to forever, and Weather Report, also, Herbie Hancock (headhunters, an outstanding album), Al di Meola, Pat metheny, Vital Information, and the project od Steve Smith, Victor Wooten and Scott Henderson: VITALTECHTONES, that is a hell of a record... and so many more, there´s a parallel Fusion universe to prog
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RobJ
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Posted: April 21 2004 at 14:15 |
Jaco opened the door and the rest of us bass players walked through after him. Bass players at all levels recognize and revere Jaco as the one who defined the electric bass as a serious instrument in the jazz world. Listen to any modern fusion or jazz bassist and you will hear his influence. No one played like Jaco, there is bass before him and bass after him. He was also a great composer who Joe Zawinul called a genius.
Jaco's solo album is incredible, it's been said that bass cases all over the world slammed shut when it came out. Jaco had raised the bar so high that many were discouraged. 8:30 is an excellent Weather Report album, I highly recommend it. Bright Size Life and Shadow and Light are great too, showcasing Jaco as a sideman. I have pretty much everything he did before he started to really lose touch in the mid 80's. Much of his work with his post Weather Report band Word of Mouth is awesome too, though some of it may be a bit too abstract for many.
Jaco died way too young, 35, he was beaten to death outside a bar in Ft. Lauderdale Fla. Jaco had many problems leading up to his demise, not the least of which was manic depression. It's said there is a fine line between genius and insanity, I believe Jaco slid across the line at some point and just couldn't make it back.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 26 2004 at 06:53 |
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Another album worth hearing for his work is Joni Mitchell's 'Shadows & Light'
But get the US double CD not the edited down single CD version. And the DVD of the show re-emerged last year (was released on laserdisc in Japan only before?), Metheny, Pastorius and Brecker are on absolute top form - pity the director spoils my all time favourite jazz rock track "Dry Cleaner From Des Moines" by running footage of cheesey Las Vegas nightlife, when we could be watching probably the most exciting duet ever, unfold between Pastorius and Brecker - hopeful the footage of it exists in the archives.
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bityear
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Posted: April 26 2004 at 07:09 |
I saw Scott henderson being mention twice, and that's not enough! He, along with his Tribal Tech buddies, are all among the most influential fusion players today. Gary Willis, if someone, has to be counted as Jaco's heir.
Tribal Tech are essential for fusion listeners, I highly recommend them. "Thick" might be their worst album, but the others are great. Virgil Donati played drums with them for a while, his solo stuff (released both as Virgil Donati (band) and On The Virg) is also high-quality fusion, although sometimes with a bit more metal throwed in. His and Derek Sherinian's band Planet X as well as Spastic Ink are probably fusion with more metal influences, great bands.
Mike Stern, Frank Gambale, Allan Holdsworth, early Al diMeola, and DAVE WECKL fer godsake, they're great ones.
There's also bands like Vertu out there, newer and still quite obscure.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 26 2004 at 07:31 |
Yes Scott Henderson for versatility - check out his rock'n'roll and blues/soul albums. I really enjoyed TT's "Rocket Science" - any band who bring back the ring modulator into the modern day have to be heard.
One of my favourite jazz rock flavoured albums of the last 5 years or so was Mastermind's tribute to Mahavishnu Orchestra, "Excelsior!" - which gets in before TT with the ring modulators!
But to me Pastorius's inheritor is Jonas Hellborg master of the acoustic bass guitar and seemingly one of the few who stays with the 4 string electric bass - I'm told he wrote the definitive book on slap-bass playing techniques. Listen to many of the Day Eight Music (Hellborg's own label) and Bardo releases from 1987(which Bityear I hope you find easier to get than me here in the UK), shows Hellborg to be musicians of great depth and breadth, and prepared to experiment extensively. In particular his work with the late and lamented Shawn Lane.
Vertu didn't last that long did they?
And one of the great lost 90's albums, increasingly said to be the best jazz rock albums of the last decade, is Conrad Schrenk's Extravaganza's "Save The Robots" (check out the Fusenet jazz rock discussion group archives on the web for confirmation). Schrenk's guitarwork has been said to be Steve Vai with jazz chords. Schrenk has to let the album get reissued or else the word will only be spread by boot copies.
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