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Petra
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 05:40 |
I love both but it depend on what mood im in really, some bands like Tangerine Dream or GYBE! i play for the atmosphere alone.
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Metropolis
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 05:53 |
I wouldnt say that lyrics are unnecessary, they go along wiht the music
in creating a mood for the song, and with the more poetic and heart
felt lyrics, it can be the words as much as the music that sends those
chills down your spine.
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Eemu Ranta
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 05:59 |
There are also two kinds of instrumentals: athmospheric and "ordinary
songs" without vocals. Änglagård's Epilog is no less enjoyable than
Hybris although I like Tord's voice. I can't imagine sung lyrics in
Phaedra or anything by GYBE!. Nor can I imagine an instrumental
"Supper's Ready".
I don't know what to vote
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richardh
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 06:00 |
I enjoy instrumental prog but generally like to hear some 'human element' in there as well.It's a bonus when the singer is female and is nice to look at as well!
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Mategra
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 06:13 |
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Yes; MAGENTA's Christina looks good indeed!
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Manunkind
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 06:27 |
Singing is wonderful, especially outside of prog.
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JrKASperov
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 07:02 |
If you like heart felt lyrics so much go read a book.
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tuxon
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 07:20 |
I like singing, but the words don't matter to me. I mostly consider it an extra instrument, and it helps in structuring the song.
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Aaron
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 14:41 |
this poll sucks, that my contribution
Aaron
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Raymon7174
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 14:49 |
I generally like a mix but concede that I often pay little if any attention to the lyrics and enjoy extended instrumental sections.
On the other hand, lyrics and vocal harmonies can be used quite effectively. Examples, Ayreon's Human Equation and lots of stuff by Porcupine Tree.
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Hangedman
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 15:18 |
JrKASperov wrote:
Lyrics ARE unnecessary, things like Fracture prove that. And lyrics don't add to the music. What DOES add to the music, is HOW it is sung. This way, the voice can become an instrument of it's own right. Now, people who really do stuff with their voice, aka play their instruments (Peter Hammill) , those are the guys that add something. I find lads like Jon Anderson a bit bland because they're singing the same way all the time. And Anderson's voice got worse after Fragile. Greg Lake sounds beautiful like Anderson, but is also empty, he does not do anything with it except just sing the lyrics. John Wetton often is somewhat better, although he is less of a beautiful singer, still I would rate him higher. The Schulman brothers also do a somewhat better part, but they rely on multiple vocals, which puts them into another league. |
I have to agree with jrkaspreov in a lot of his (her?) points, ideas and thoughts can be provoked without lyrics (look at any of the great composers for this). But lyrics can put depth into music where it lacks it otherwise, much of genesis's output wouldnt work without the lyrics.
now on to mr.anderson, i find that he isnt just singing lyrics. I think his lyrics are more or less pointless and just an extension to the music, but hey thats just my opinion.
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James Lee
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 18:38 |
Often the wrong words can ruin an otherwise good song, but I can't think of a case where bad music ruined a good vocal performance. There's probably a few out there, though.
Then again, as a Cocteau Twins fan I have a tendency to regard lyrics as a secondary consideration.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 19:39 |
Aaron wrote:
this poll sucks, that my contribution
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You must be a singer.
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James Lee
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 19:58 |
danbo wrote:
Aaron wrote:
this poll sucks, that my contribution
Aaron
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LOL...that post would have been better as an instrumental.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 21:04 |
A good mixture of both can really make an album great. I especially love the really long songs that have instrumental breaks, that way you get the best of both worlds.
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The-Bullet
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 21:24 |
As the consensus shows, a good mixture. Some albums would still be viable with the singing "removed", but could you imagine "The Lamb..." without Gabriels singing, so much character and melodic vocalising.
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"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 22:57 |
Really, my point to this pointless poll, is that some lyrics/vocals deter what could be a good album into the realm of the dust covered lower CD racks.
Progs problem, as Garion wrote to me in a PM, is that there are very few good singers in todays bands. There are exceptions, but overall the distinctive voices of the 70's have not been replaced or even competed with. Too many hair metal singers, wannabe opera vocalists, tone deaf crooners and flat out croakers.
BTW, I was about 7 beers into a six-pack when I posted this poll.
Remember:
DON'T DRINK AND POST.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 23:01 |
danbo wrote:
DON'T DRINK AND POST.
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BebieM
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 23:23 |
I really hate ordinary vocals. That's why im not that much into neo-prog, the vocalists (except for fish) are just too poppy for me. However, essential vocalists are great to hear, like: greg lake, jon anderson, ian anderson, peter gabriel, .... really add something to the whole music
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lucas
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Posted: February 19 2005 at 05:05 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
take for example Steve Howe's albums, the music is outstanding, but when the guy opens his mouth, the song is almost ruined, he sounds as a bagpipe out of key.
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I agree with you, Ivan. That's the reason why I prefer Turbulence to Steve Howe's earlier albums.
I must admit I prefer my prog with vocals, or a balance between instrumentals and vocals like it is the case with Happy The Man or Camel.
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