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Poll Question: What is your favorite Rush album with the 80s sound?
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    Posted: February 12 2005 at 00:25
I partly make this poll because I can't decide myself. I find that I'll just love two or three tunes off of each album and then I won't care much for the rest. Here are the tunes I like off of each record:

Signals:
Subdivisions
The Analog Kid
New World Man

GUP:
Early Distant Warning
Red Sector A (what an emotionally packed song, whew, horrible stuff)

Power Windows:
Grand Designs
Manhattan Project
Marathon
(this album has a great first side)

Hold Your Fire:
Force Ten
Open Secrets (my favorite off these four albums)

So, what does everybody else think? I should say that they're all great albums. At one point I made the claim that Rush "sold out" in the 80s, and after being bashed for it I went and listened to the albums and found that the material on these albums is really great stuff... not in the way that 70s Rush was, but in a different way. The 80s production on these albums is fantastic!  The bass is huge, the guitar is gritty, the synths are clear, the drums fit in the mix nicely. For having that synth-pop sound (and this is definitely not synth pop!) the sound is big and mean. Awesome stuff. Also, I think this music really underscores what Rush is all about. The musical themes relate to being a teen guy and growing up in a frustrating world (except GUP maybe) and the music is really uplifting! Strong messages of being an individual, having pride, and being confident in a complex society run all the way through. Bravo Rush ..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 00:54
They're all great albums; Signals and Grace Under Pressure are perfect and good from beginning to end, and Power Windows is just a hair behind. OTOH, Hold Your Fire has some tracks which aren't as strong, like "High Water," "Tai Shan," and "Prime Mover." Plus, the production on HYF is simply too wet. I like the sound of Signals the best (the last one with Terry, so go figure), and Gedd's analog keys are the bomb. Ironic, considering I welcomed Peter Collins' back into the producer's seat after Rupert Hine all but made Presto and Roll The Bones unlistenable, with their tinny-sounding guitars, muted drum presence, and bass - what bass? Good thing RTB was remastered. Now you can hear Gedd's bass!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 01:29
I know that 'Permanent Waves' and 'Moving Pictures' were released in '80 and '81 respectively, but they obviously don't portray that 80's sound that you're refering to so that makes this a much tougher question. I went for 'Signals', if only because I identify with "Subdivisions" more so than anything from 'Power Windows'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 03:38
Power Windows is my favourite of that little lot.I like all incarnations of Rush.Nothing they've done has ever turned me off.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 05:58
Everyting Rush released up to 'Presto' is good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 07:41

In order...

Grace Under Pressure - Incredible songwriting, Rush start to use the synthesizers WITH the guitars again instead of just letting them drown them out on the last record.

Hold Your Fire - Underrated by most, there are some great tunes on this one, and even the lesser tunes are worth listening to.

Signals - A bit overrated, but still good...  I still can't get over the fact that the synths overpower the songs at times.

Power Windows - Never got into this... maybe because the production and feel was a bit TOO 80s, but the good songs on here are definitely quality stuff.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 08:31
Casually, I was listening to Signals yesterday, after a very long time (in fact, I only have two Rush, this one and 2112). Well, after that long time, I have to say that I still like it, and perhaps now appretiate it more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 10:42

Sometimes opinions are troubled by memories. This cenrtainly is the case for me.  as i got to know the music of this band during the eighties. For a very long time I considered this part of Rush history as  the most essential part. Later I realized there were some excellent albums before Signals. The 4 albums have an equal level of quality. I voted Grace under pressure but I do like the others as well

1. GUP : an amazing album with not one track which isn't worth of checking out. The massive wall of sound is simply amazing and the album rocks more than any other eighties release of the band. Even now after all those years I still listen to this album very often. Especially the science fiction atmospere attracks me. Also this is the closing album for some elements of Rush' typical style before 1984. Everyone likes the title track and Red sector A but a track like Afterimage is the perfect bridge between those songs. Great to hear the band put some emotion in their music.  Tracks like enemy within or Red lenses still have some elements of Rush rock roots. These tracks could easily have ended up on Moving pictures as well but later on Rush didn't do these things anymore.

2. HYF comes very close ; again, excellent songwriting, great production, the band dares to to enter some new musical territories on High Water or Tai Shan which I know not many fans seems to like but I do !  I'm not keen on Force then. This album was added later to the album and I think you can hear that ! I do the single Time stand still which may come close to mainstream but I don't care. Open secrets is another highlight.

3. Signals : I first heard Signals in 1988 and I noticed the production work wasn't as good as the other releases which was pretty normal because this album was released in 1982. However some tracks do sound better in their live version on live albums to come. A great album but there's some flaws. Chemistry is a fine track but they used the same formula with better results on Grace. Digital man and The weapon are too long and quite boring. Highlight of the album is the last track Countdown, a perfect soundtrack to the launch of a rocket.  

4. I listened to Power Windows an awful lot in the eighties but nowadays it seems forgotten. The sound is typical eighties and gives the band a sterile sound. Marathon, middletown dreams and emotion detector are the most enjoyable tracks

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 13:57

signals, for the compositions!  signals is the first album where Lee started to

"master" the keyboards.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 22:02

my four favorite Rush albums. I choose power windows, because when ranking the individual songs on that album I give them all a perfect score. Listening straight through I like Grace under Pressure better though.

Favorite songs from those albums:

Subdivisions

Between the Wheels

Manhattan Project

Grand Designs

Red Sector A

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2005 at 13:51
Rush's Symphonic era is my favorite.  OUt of this era I'd have to say HYF is the best.  It is the peak of what they have been working on throughout the whole 80's.  Lots of great stuff in HYF!!!Mission is excellent along with Tai Shan (two best songs on that album!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2005 at 15:39

I voted for Signals because I think it's a criminally underrated record and has some great songs

Subdivisions (killer guitar riff) Analog Kid (killer guitar solo), Digital Man (killer rhythm guitar playing), New World Man (killer bass playing), Countdown (killer guitar playing) and even Losing It features some of Alex's nicest playing. For an album that people write off as synth-heavy, there's a lof of great string instrument action going on!

Actually, I think Rush really only succumbed to '80s production overload (huge reverbs, washes of tasteless keys) with Power Windows. I think Moving Pictures and Signals actually owe a lot more to late '70s new wave production and arrangement techniques - dry, brittle snares, clipped cymbals, heavily compressed guitars, sparse arrangements etc. Grace falls between two stools, with the drums getting more boomy but the guitars and basses still holding to that dry pop of late 70s and early 80s tastes.

By Power Windows Geddy has opted for the squashier sounds of Steinberger and Wal basses , Alex is so tooled up with bad digital processing racks that his guitar sound has reached a chorused, icy brittleness that's only audible to dogs and Neil's has blended some hideous synth drums with acoustic drums that sound like they were recorded inside the empty hold of a supertanker - some good material is utterly ruined by the awfulness of the technology employed. A shame.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2005 at 15:42
Alex has also ditched marshalls I believe and had opted for Gallien-Kruger solid state amps which were just awful. Not sure what Ged was using, I think it may have been Hartke amps - a similar fate to Alex's awaited him. The lovely Oberheims, Moogs and Arps were also phased out in favour of some truly hideous things - I can't remember which but the Big Money vid will clue you in to just what woeful, flavour-of-the-month gear they were using (granted it was cutting edge then)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2005 at 17:48
Grace Under Pressure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2005 at 20:34
I love them all, but I picked Signals, but I must also point out that I think Hold you Fire doesn't get the credit it deserves, because it is an excellent album!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2005 at 03:16

I tried to choose between Power Windows and Signals. Voted for Signals though - I really like Subdivisions, The Analog Kid and especially Chemistry!

Grace Under Pressure is also good (especially the track #3), though counting 80s and the whole discography my choice is Moving Pictures

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2005 at 05:17

I chose 'Grace under Pressure'. Behind 'Moving Pictures' and 'Permenant Waves' it is my third fave Rush album from the 80's.

I hated GUP when I first heard it. I had not expected such bright 'in your face' production. After the mellow synth drenched production of Signals, I was expecting more of the same. Over a short period of time, I grew to love every song on GUP, and started to appreciate that bright production. The albums that followed had more cliched 80's production; big gated snare drums, cheesy use of synths. The songs themselves got weaker IMO. I regard 'Power Windows' and 'Hold your fire' as generally very poor by Rush standards. Everything that proceeded them was better and everything that followed IMO.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2005 at 17:23
Grace Under Pressure!
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