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    Posted: February 11 2005 at 02:45

Question: Why did Zappa / Mothers of Invention have two sets of drummers ?
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Because it sounds good..

You never heard Phill Collins and Chester Thompson playing together??

Or Adam and the Ants..??



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2 drummers and a percussionist. It was probably because Zappa started out as a drummer himself, and he always had a real love of percussion instruments in his music. It worked well with the 1973 band with Ralph Humphrey and Chester Thompson. Zappa also had 2 bass players in 1978 which was perhaps more unusual than 2 drummers. There were never any musical boundaries for Uncle Frank.
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To double the rhythm density. Why else? It's a great idea, providing the drummers/percussionists are good enough not to fall over each other. John Coltrane had Elvin Jones and Rashied Ali drumming for him on "Meditations" and "Ascension", and it worked out great. Ornette Coleman also had two drummers, in the shapes of Billy Higgins and Ed Blackwell, on his "Free Jazz". And Zappa wasn't that far from jazz, either.  
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Even the greatest toured together/played together e.g. Tony Williams/Billy Cobham
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Even the greatest toured together/played together e.g. Tony Williams/Billy Cobham

(fainted) has that been ever recorded? If so, please, please tell me under what name?
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Points: 7003 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2005 at 08:18
One of the highlights of post Gabriel Genesis shows was when Phil Collins got back behind the drumkit and we got a 2 drummer version of Genesis. I saw Genesis with both Bruford and Chester Thompson, and the sound of the 2 drummers going at it was awesome both times.
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Points: 12813 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2005 at 14:47
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Even the greatest toured together/played together e.g. Tony Williams/Billy Cobham

(fainted) has that been ever recorded? If so, please, please tell me under what name?



It has, with Brian Auger and Ronnie Montrose in the line-up - BC 'guests' for the last half of the record. I think it is called Toyko 1979, and the only place I've seen it is on Brian Auger's offical website. That particular Tony Williams Band (minus BC) can be heard on Tony William's Joy Of Flying album (remastered on CD in last 5 years or so by Sony Columbia Records).
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And of course the Allman Brothers and (probably the first line-up of) the Pink Fairies - listening to Teenage Rebel this morning, full blast, and unless Twink is double tracked, the album Never Never Land  has two drummers.
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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

One of the highlights of post Gabriel Genesis shows was when Phil Collins got back behind the drumkit and we got a 2 drummer version of Genesis. I saw Genesis with both Bruford and Chester Thompson, and the sound of the 2 drummers going at it was awesome both times.

I agree. Seconds Out is the recorded testament!
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