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Squirrel_monkey 
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 Posted: January 18 2005 at 10:24 |
Again, too many people want to keep prog all 'specialised' so it's only them who like it. Look how much it anoys them when a 'popular' band get in!
I heard a description on an amazon reviews that Prog had to be 'weird', surely no one agrees with that? To me, prog is rock that is just more complex, technical, different and ambitious. Other wise tracks like this have to become just rock, when they are certainly something different.
Next: ELO!
Pleease!!!
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i!i!i!i!i! SqUiRrEl MoNkEy i!i!i!i!i!
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will
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 11:59 |
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Long live progression.
Will
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the musical box
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Joined: November 01 2004
Location: Canada
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 12:39 |
The point isnt wether we love or hate Radiohead...its just that with their inclusion, i believe the site will now struggle to set certain bounderies on" what is and isnt prog". Of cource there are no set bounderies (if we consider bands like Tool or Styx), but this is also going to make things alot harder for the admins in perticular...but it seems that the admins have taken their stand and they are here to stay...and as hard as that is for me...i can accept that. As creator of the thread:
THE END
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something pretentious
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sigod
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Location: London
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 12:49 |
^ Oboy, here come the end credits. 
I wonder who the soundtrack was played by?
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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arcer
Prog Reviewer
Joined: September 01 2004
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 14:27 |
Surely it must be....
Exit Music (For A Film)
by Radiohead!!!!! (or Brad Mehldau )
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Arteum
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 15:54 |
Progarchives has been my favourite website for the last year. I
faithfully visit it every day and I thank it for helping me to discover
ÄNGLAGÅRD, MARILLION, PAIN OF SALVATION, OZRIC TENTACLES, VAN DER GRAAF
GENERATOR, PORCUPINE TREE, ARENA and others. I was always thinking this
site was a clean place, but with the introduction of RADIOHEAD, it is
beginning to stink.  I am scared to
think that I can recommend this site to my prog-loving friends, and the
first few reviews on the title page that they will see will be those of
RADIOHEAD's albums. 
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Easy Livin
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Joined: February 21 2004
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 16:34 |
Don't panic Arteum, there's often an initial rush of reviews when new bands are added, especially ones which have enjoyed some commercial success. Things will settle down again though.
Interesting to note a lack of Roxy Music reviews though, not a single one yet!
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asuma
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 16:46 |
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i vote that they should be taken off the site.
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*Remember all advice given by Asuma is for entertainment purposes only. Asuma is not a licensed medical doctor, psychologist, or counselor and he does not play one on TV.*
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goose
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 17:19 |
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But... they aren't going to be!
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James Lee
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 17:38 |
2005 inductees in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame:
Buddy Guy (blues)
Percy Sledge (soul)
The O'Jays (motown)
The Pretenders (new wave...but they could rock from time to time, so OK on that one)
U2 (ditto above, with less emphasis)
Now, given the fact that only 2 out of 3 are even remotely rock and roll...doesn't if feel kinda silly to argue whether RH is prog or not? 
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Beau Heem
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 17:43 |
 James Lee wrote:
2005 inductees in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame:
Buddy Guy (blues)
Percy Sledge (soul)
The O'Jays (motown)
The Pretenders (new wave...but they could rock from time to time, so OK on that one)
U2 (ditto above, with less emphasis)
Now, given the fact that only 2 out of 3 are even remotely rock and roll... |
Out of three?
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James Lee
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 18:09 |
^ I was only counting U2, The Pretenders, and Guy....yeah, right!
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Arteum
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 19:54 |
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Now I understand why there are people who think that RADIOHEAD is prog.
As everybody else, I was asked many times what music I was listening
to. I remember two or three occasions when my natural reply
"Progressive rock" produced the next question: "Oh, it's like
RADIOHEAD?"
After talking to the people who thought that RADIOHEAD was prog, it became obvious that they:
a) Confused GENESIS with PHIL COLLINS
b) Thought that PINK FLOYD was a 'cool' group whose songs they like to listen on the radio
c) Never heard of 99.7% (I think that's a good estimation) of artists listed on progarchives.com
d) Typically included in their greatest musical interests U2, CHEMICAL
BROTHERS, RAMMSTEIN, METALLICA, OASIS and other bands of this type
Why is RADIOHEAD listened to by people who think that PINK FLOYD is a 'cool' pop group?
Edited by Arteum
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Eddy
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Location: USA
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 20:03 |
pink floyd is listened too by all the clics in my school. your cooler if you listen to pink floyd. unfortunally, when i try to get them deeper into prog, they run away! its kinda sad. i know people who listen to pink floyd evenb though they dont liker the music.
now radiohead. i dont even think they think themselves as progressive rock, therefore, why let them have tthe honor of being on this website!
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Bryan
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 20:04 |
Arteum wrote:
Progarchives has been my favourite website for the last year. I faithfully visit it every day and I thank it for helping me to discover ÄNGLAGÅRD, MARILLION, PAIN OF SALVATION, OZRIC TENTACLES, VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR, PORCUPINE TREE, ARENA and others. I was always thinking this site was a clean place, but with the introduction of RADIOHEAD, it is beginning to stink. I am scared to think that I can recommend this site to my prog-loving friends, and the first few reviews on the title page that they will see will be those of RADIOHEAD's albums. |
How is Porcupine Tree being in here a good thing, but RH being in here negative? Steve Wilson has said that Stupid Dream was very much influenced by Radiohead...
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Arteum
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 20:12 |
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> How is Porcupine Tree being in here a good thing, but RH being in here
negative? Steve Wilson has said that Stupid Dream was very much
influenced by Radiohead...
Hmm, maybe that's why I don't particularly like "Stupid Dream"? I
mentioned PORCUPINE TREE only because of "The Sky Moves Sideways",
"Signify" and "In Absentia".
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Bryan
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 20:23 |
Arteum wrote:
> How is Porcupine Tree being in here a good thing, but RH being in here negative? Steve Wilson has said that Stupid Dream was very much influenced by Radiohead...
Hmm, maybe that's why I don't particularly like "Stupid Dream"? I mentioned PORCUPINE TREE only because of "The Sky Moves Sideways", "Signify" and "In Absentia".
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I've always thought that The Sky Moves Sideways had kind of an ambient, somewhat electronic vibe not unlike what Radiohead has going on Kid A, although that could just be me...
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Lunarscape
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Joined: September 19 2004
Location: Brazil
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 20:47 |
Easy Livin wrote:
Don't panic Arteum, there's often an initial rush of reviews when new bands are added, especially ones which have enjoyed some commercial success. Things will settle down again though.
Interesting to note a lack of Roxy Music reviews though, not a single one yet!
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Dont worry, the RH rush will fade and within short time they will be forgotten. The reason that they are here in the first place is purely comercial. As an MTV backed up band, they do atract some attention to the juvenile listeners, lets say like Back Street Boys with mellotrons ! Why they shouldnt be listed ; Their vocals are lousy, Pshycodelic Furs had better vocals, the depressing undertone in these vocals are at the best; annoying. The lyrics are dreadful a pop clichés far to boring to dissect. Now as for instrumentation; The drumming is, again, boring and repetitive played without any imagination or passion. Bass lines ? no way ! The guitar playing is, humm lets say, burocratic and yes...efficient enough to call attention to the less experienced listener. Keyboards; Move over Wakeman, Emmerson, Van Leer, Vangelis, your new master is here to teach you guys how to make refined and superb music !
Listen to Airbag, Idiotique, Creep and I Might be Wrong and tell me if this is the stuff a serious Prog site would deal with ?
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Rob The Plant
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Location: Netherlands
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 20:53 |
the musical box wrote:
The point isnt wether we love or hate Radiohead...its just that with their inclusion, i believe the site will now struggle to set certain bounderies on" what is and isnt prog". Of cource there are no set bounderies (if we consider bands like Tool or Styx), but this is also going to make things alot harder for the admins in perticular...but it seems that the admins have taken their stand and they are here to stay...and as hard as that is for me...i can accept that. As creator of the thread:
THE END
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If Porcupine Tree is Prog, then so is Tool. Tool is prog man, you just don't like it. So maybe your opinion on Radiohead is biased as well.
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Collaborators will take your soul.
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 18 2005 at 20:54 |
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50/50 now. very interesting!
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Collaborators will take your soul.
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