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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 13:51 | |||
"Trash Metal" doesn't exist as a genre. It is just misspelled. Thrash Metal it is, and Thrash means this: www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn2.1
It doesn't have anything to do with garbage. Thrash Metal is just a label for Metal bands that play agressively and use complex riffs. If you look at their performance, it looks like they're constantly "thrashing" their instruments. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 13:52 | |||
Well, too bad for you ... they're more than just complex. |
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Arsillus
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 13:58 | |||
How so? Please enlighten me! |
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 14:09 | |||
It looks like it may be time for the collaborators to really think about what this site should be. Should it be an all-encompassing progressive music site? Or should it be restriced to groups that are specifically of the Prog Rock genre? It's a tough debate that seems to be going on in random places throughout the forums. One argument is that the inclusion of any progressive band, such as Meshuggah, can lead to the unnecessary addition of bands that are related to other bands that are only loosely related to prog rock ("well, so and so should be on the site because they sort of sound like such and such, and such and such sort of sound like this other band who is DEFINITELY prog...). However, the inclusion of a more diverse array of progressive bands leads to the inclusion of more people on the site and can promote a growing prog rock community. People often groan in the forums about how prog isnt popular anymore. Well, maybe it is, just in a different form, and if you open up your eyes a bit, you can find some really great things. Also, fans of these 'outsider' prog bands may find this site, and their eyes can be opened to more 'traditional' prog.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 14:59 | |||
Just listen to their new records (the ones I mentioned above). "More than complex" is of course a subjective attribute, what seems like "more" to me may appear to be just silly to you ... but maybe not. |
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glass house
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 17:15 | |||
To Mike : imo Catch 33 is a very poor album. Destroy, Erase, Improve however is one of the more innovative metal albums ever.
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Rune3000
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 17:34 | |||
Many people can't hear the King Crimson complexity in Tools sound
Many can't spot the Prog i Mars Volta, but they're still Prog
Many can't hear the difference between Trash and complex Prog, but it's still Prog! |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 18:25 | |||
Define poor. It is more daring, and completely different. I'd prefer Catch 33 over Nothing, and Destroy Erase Improve over Chaosphere. But that's only me ... What's bad about Catch 33? Edited by MikeEnRegalia |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 18:27 | |||
What's Trash? |
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Arsillus
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 18:32 | |||
Yeah, I guess I kinda see what you mean. But you kinda threw me off with "more than complex." |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 18:36 | |||
I just meant that they don't just use odd signatures. They have complex lyrics, recurring themes in the songs, and - and that's again subjective - are quite consistent on their albums and not really predictable. |
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coffeeintheface
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 21:47 | |||
goddammit stop saying trash, its THRASH for god's sake!!!!!!
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glass house
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 02:29 | |||
To Mike, now we're talking personal preferences, that is always highly debatteble. Catch 33 doesn't do anything for me. It is one mush of sound. Erase was although chaotic at times more clear. But mainly it is a feeling. And that sometimes is difficult to explain or to write down. |
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Bryan
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Posted: July 02 2005 at 22:08 | |||
I love Meshuggah, and I think their more recent works could be considered prog, but I wouldn't have added them to the archives.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:19 | |||
Meshuggah are NOT prog - not by several long chalks and a blackboard. Progressive in the metal genre maybe - but Led Zeppelin were progressive in the rock genre, and I would not expect to see Led Zep in the archives. There are too few elements in Meshuggah's music (on Catch 33, at least) to warrant the label Prog Rock or even Prog Metal. Prog is FAR more than a few time signature changes and a minimalist approach to heavy metal riff-writing. And there's NOTHING progressive about the death grunt vocals either - they were quite funny 20 years ago, but very tired now. It's certainly put me off exploring their back catalogue - the execution is not of a particularly high level (remember, we are comparing them to real prog rock, not their metal peers), and Metallica's first 4 albums are many factors of progginess more progressive. Still, the admins can make the choices they want to, and I'm not the first to state that I think they got it wrong this time.
I put the first review in, and it sums the album up well, I think - does anyone disgree with my assessment? Which comments particularly?
/edit: Useful - didn't you rate it as a masterpiece of prog? How can you reconcile that with the position you're taking here? Edited by Certif1ed |
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Third Eye
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:39 | |||
What's so wrong with Meshuggah's presence when nobody finds it strange that we have Asia, GTR or Blackmore's Night here?
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goose
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:41 | |||
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Man Overboard
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:08 | |||
Anyone who equates Meshuggah's vocals with "death grunts" knows little about metal vocals in general.
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coffeeintheface
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 22:06 | |||
We NEED some meshuggah mp3's posted !!!
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Bryan
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 22:10 | |||
I consider Catch 33 a prog album (as well as I), but that doesn't mean I consider them a prog band. As for comments I may or may not agree with in your review, I don't "disagree" with anything you said, as such. Meshuggah is the kind of band you'll either love or hate, and you're evidently on the latter side. I still don't see how it isn't progressive though... maybe if it were all one track you'd be more willing to acknowledge it as prog? Also, their vocals have nothing to do with death grunting. Edited by Useful_Idiot |
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