the world just gets weirder

Sorry pal -- I don't really watch TV, nor did I "run away" earlier -- I just type REAL SLOW (it takes forever to individually colour letters, too!), especially when I've had a few....

How am I doing with the contentious topics, James?

But seriously, Gdubble-standard:How about those mellotrons, eh?

Tra la la....

With some research(yuk!), I could give you scientific evidence that shows the earth is doing what is fairly natural for itself. Everything runs in cycles when it comes to nature and eventually there will be another ice age.

What about the statement as to why some scientists were looking into melting the icebergs to slow down the ice-age by the way?I am NOT making this up. My point is to definitely research into the possibility of global warming, but let's not all head underground because the sun has been warm in areas. 

Do you actually believe the people on the history channel are for brain washing the Christians? Hardly! Why not use it as a source of knowledge when it is as good as any book? They also pretty much put to rest the whole Adam and Eve thing and Noah's Arc with evidence against such mythology. For every scientist and historian they bring in in favor of the Bible, they bring in others who debunc it. One of the facts that was hard to debunc was the Atlantic Ocean flooding into the Mediterrean as the land bridge between Europe and Africa gave way and a flood occured. The world as I am quite sure you very well know Peter wasn't always as it is now. The Mediterrean used to be a lake according to some scientists. The flood wasn't a rainstorm as the Bible suggests, but rather a flood unprecedented even today.

Why do you think I base everything on faith? I really am not that church going Bible thumper you think I am. I'm gay for heaven's sake. There are alot of issues i have with Christianity so don't even pretend to understand or know me Peter.

Velvetclown wrote: We all get our share of abuse in here , it is just part of the fun. Chill out !!!!!!

I will chill as soon as I am given some sort of credit for having a brain. I suppose if I towed the line and was liberal like the rest of you, I would be given more credit. Believe me, when I say there are some true turnip minds out there voting democratic, because their public schools told them to. I once heard a radio guy ask a bunch of questions to democratic voters. Easy ones like who the Vice President was and they couldn't even answer that. All they knew was they weren't voting for Bush. Why?...they had no intelligible answer.

Do not belittle my intellect,just because I am a republican and spiritual as well. It is an easy way of disregarding my arguments I guess, but still....not correct. I don't belittle any of you, and would like to be given the same consideration. I may take some pokes, but it is all in good fun and I don't think anyone takes me seriously.

I am henceforth drawing the line. I can argue my points as articulately and intelligently as any of you would be intellectuals.

gdub411 wrote: Peter wrote: ^ !  Put yer head further up yer ass, Gdub. Now -- move toward the light.... Get that gasoline.... You know what I am sick and tired of. Being disregarded as some sort of simpleton. Just because I have a goofy sense of humour and like to display it doesn't lessen my knowledge. You guys better back off a bit and give me some credit for having some sort of brain capacity. It is you guys who simply refuse to argue rationally about this that need to get their heads out of their asses. Just assume everything you say is right Peter even though my 3rd statement came from historians and scientists. Who should I hold more creedance to. Peter, a substitute teacher, or well regarded historians?

Peter's just being his goofy self, don't take it too seriously.

Global warming is just a theory. Last year we had the coolest summer in Chicago than I can remember. It was only 30 years or so that scientists were thinking of salting the ice bergs with some sort of black salt to slow the ice -age. Perhaps there is something to global warming, but I would say we do not understand nature as well as we think.

The theory of evolution is a threat and contention toward Creation that if one is taught, than so should the other. Sometimes schools need to use common sense to decide things. I'm all for learning more so teach both. The seperation of church and state has gone too far as far as I'm concerned and I'm sure our forefathers are rolling in their graves at the extent we took their intentions to.

The world as we knew it in the Bible was pretty much the Mediterrean Sea and there is proof, according to the history channel that the Mediterrean may have flooded. Watch Mysteries of the Bible for details as I don't recall anymore what they were.

Where should we teach religion, Ivan?

The tool shed. (Beware the "celibate" -- they're horny as hell!)

Seriously though, church & Sunday school. Should be up to the parents to take you there or not.

Now, simply countering with "therefore, don't teach evolution in school" is like saying "don't teach any science which might conflict with the Bible."

Science and logic say that Noah's Ark, for example, is impossible (at best, alegory) for many reasons.

Just 2: Water can't be destroyed -- where did it (enough to flood the earth) all go? Not everyone on earth was Jewish at the supposed time of the great Flood. Why were those who had never even heard of Jehovah punished/destroyed? 

Now, shall we not teach those basic scientific and historic facts? Don't they conflict with the Bible?

Don't teach any philosophy either.

Or mythology -- that's all lies.

Try this: "This is the theory of evolution. This is how Charles Darwin, most scientists, and many people think it must have happened...."

Archeology class, 101: We don't think that early cavemen had language (more theory). Our much closer relatives, time-wise (wait -- don't teach the fossil record, and how deeper strata is generally older!), neanderthal man, judging by the bones in his throat, seems to have been equipped for speech, but his language, if any, was likely very rudimentary. He most likely didn't have the concept of "future" (thus he reacted -- he  didn't plan). Why do we think this? Over his entire time on earth, his tools & weapons/burials progressed or changed not a whit. In contrast, modern human relics were constantly changing/improving.

This is scientific theory -- shall we not teach it?

Despite what GWB and many other born-again Christians believe, all scientific and rational evidence says that men and dinosaurs did not simultaneously cohabit the earth. Not even close.

This is theory -- not absolutely proven.

Absolute "proof" (given the supposed "possibility" of invisible rhinos in my room/ alternate universes/alternate laws of physics) is darned hard to come by! Only "logical' answer: teach nothing.

Meanwhile, back in the here and now....

"Global warming, and man's ability to negatively impact upon the earthly environment, is just a THEORY. Tra la la la la...."

Scientific or not, Creationism is a theory about the creation of the universe. Should be also taught, if you want you can teach all the arguments against it and also in favor, but teach it, let people know it or are Civil Rights fanatics (Yes they are also extremists and fanatics as much as the crazy fundamentalists) afraid someone could believe in it?

The problem is lawyers have taken things to such extreems that you are not allowed to broach subjects of religion excpet in a very limited historical context as to not cross the line of church and state.

You made a good point there Garion, it's prohibited to teach Creationism in a biology class because it's not scientific, but it's also prohibited to teach religion.

Tell me, where is the right place?

Ignorance belongs in the dark-ages not in our schools.

You are right Tuxon, ignorance is the lack of knowledge, pretending to hide a theory from kids is promoting ignorance.

Catholic Church (my church) tried to hide all other knowledge to the people and those are the dark ages, aren't you pretending to do the same hiding the posibility of Creationism to the kids even if you and me don't believe in it?

Iván