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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2005 at 12:53

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

I've just listened to Meshuggah's album "Nothing" and although I think the album is GREAT, I can't see the technicality in the music. Crazy time signatures? I've no idea what that means but this doens't seem very complex music to me! Could somebody explain?

Try to name their signatures ... most of the time the instruments play different signatures simultaneously. But Nothing is not their best album ... I'd recommend Destroy Erase Improve if you're into complex Thrash, and Catch 33 if you're into really weird stuff.



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Okay I'm starting to see some pretty mean complexity here now. Especially songs like "Straws Pulled at Random" and "Glints Collide" are very proggy.

Mike, I still don't know a thing about time signatures so I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to name them even if they kicked me in the ass..
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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2005 at 13:41

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

Okay I'm starting to see some pretty mean complexity here now. Especially songs like "Straws Pulled at Random" and "Glints Collide" are very proggy.

Mike, I still don't know a thing about time signatures so I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to name them even if they kicked me in the ass..

check out this thread:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7412&a mp;PN=7

I don't think that it is important to understand the musical theory. If you want to try: Pick an easy song in 4/4 and try to tap along with your foot, counting 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-...

If you tell me what popular prog metal albums you've got, I can give you one or two examples of more complex signatures that are easy to recognize.
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Points: 2383 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2005 at 13:45
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

If you tell me what popular prog metal albums you've got, I can give you one or two examples of more complex signatures that are easy to recognize.


I've got all DT and Opeth albums, but not a lot else..
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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2005 at 13:56

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

If you tell me what popular prog metal albums you've got, I can give you one or two examples of more complex signatures that are easy to recognize.


I've got all DT and Opeth albums, but not a lot else..

The beginning of Caught In A Web is a good example, it alternates between 3/4 (8 times) and 4/4 (8 times). So it's 1-2-3 x8, then 1-2-3-4 x8.

Another example is Panic Attac from Octavarium. It starts in 4/4, and then get's a little weird: 5/8 5/8 5/8 4/8 x4. Don't panic  ... just wait until LaBrie starts to sing, and then count 1-2-3-4-5 1-2-3-4-5 1-2-3-4-5 1-2-3-4 ...

You can learn it yourself by trying to tap along and finding out where the "1" is. 1-2-3-4-1 ... means that this section of the song consists of patterns that keep repeating, and those patterns are divided into 4 notes of equal length.

If it's too complicated, nevermind ... you don't have to do this.

 
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I find headbanging as an easier (and more brutal) method to count! hehe

Back to topic: Well, then, EVERY complex band is Prog



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Originally posted by Adphant Adphant wrote:

I find headbanging as an easier (and more brutal) method to count! hehe

Back to topic: Well, then, EVERY complex band is Prog

What makes you say that? That's nonsense.
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Meshuggah is surely prog. They must be added.
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They've been added.  Hurrah.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Adphant Adphant wrote:

I find headbanging as an easier (and more brutal) method to count! hehe

Back to topic: Well, then, EVERY complex band is Prog

What makes you say that? That's nonsense.

 

Many "prog legends" would agree: if you want to do something new on music, you must be progressive.

Or are you talking about the headbanging?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2005 at 21:46
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by Chooks Chooks wrote:

If prog is music that has that
something different distingushing itself from other types of music the I
beleive that Meshuggah should be incuded in the prog metal section.
Reasons why: The time signatures used by Meshuggah are crazier than
most giving Planet X a run for their money; The chops are insane; The
guitar solos are also excellent played on custom 8 string guitars; The
drumming could be played without the rest of the music and would still
blow ones mind.


These all seem to be reasons why Meshuggah are technical, not
progressive.


I agree, they are 'Math rock,' I was quite surprised to find they've been
added to the archives.

I do not find their lyrics and concepts anything worthy of being labeled a
'Prog metal' band.
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2005 at 22:58

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