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    Posted: 7 hours 15 minutes ago at 18:12
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Regarding Close to the Edge.

Originally posted by Moshkito Moshkito wrote:

A while back on PA there was an Admin that stated that it was all just pop music, and that none of it meant anything whatsoever.


Do you recall which Admin stated that?


Hi,

Yes I do, and I will respect his comments to the end ... many times he posted things really well and detailed. Even as an "opponent" he deserves the respect!


As long as you have represented him accurately, I don't think he would mind you saying the name. Do you mean Dean? If you do, then I would think there would be very specific context to those statements that are important to take into consideration. The Special Collaborator Micky has also maybe made some similar comments... Both much missed by me, by the way. Context and accuracy matters, as well as evidence.

For myself, that is an album that I have struggled with (never been a favourite of mine). I have no issue with thinking of it as pop as in popular music rather than certain genre implications, but "just" pop would need clarification for me. As for "none of it meant anything anyway". I would imagine too that there would be a very specific context to that if he did say that. It sounds nihilistic to me taken on its own, or comparative/ relative. It matters to individuals, how much in the grand scheme of things I don't know.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Regarding Close to the Edge.

Originally posted by Moshkito Moshkito wrote:

A while back on PA there was an Admin that stated that it was all just pop music, and that none of it meant anything whatsoever.


Do you recall which Admin stated that?


Hi,

Yes I do, and I will respect his comments to the end ... many times he posted things really well and detailed. Even as an "opponent" he deserves the respect!
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^ Regarding Close to the Edge.

Originally posted by Moshkito Moshkito wrote:

A while back on PA there was an Admin that stated that it was all just pop music, and that none of it meant anything whatsoever.


Do you recall which Admin stated that?
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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

CTTE

I have tried and tried and tried

and now given up!


Hi,

A while back on PA there was an Admin that stated that it was all just pop music, and that none of it meant anything whatsoever.

I'm not going to be cynical enough to say that my generation was a bunch of stony idiots that didn't care, or give a damn, and there were many that tried HARD to elevate their music to a different level, even as far as the artistic and conceptual arts of the 20th century.

That it might have achieved this, is a topic for discussion, but in the end, the part that is scary is that we have come to be so dependent on folks that are not any better than you or I ... and we think their words are important and more valid than fried rice, or electric macaroni and cheese!

Now, sitting here and thinking that some of those albums are more important than the horrible translations of THE BOOK ... in their lyrics, is a bit too much and very silly, and while I am not going to state that it is all meaningless (that would reflect on us, btw!!!) ... there are times when you have to step back and look at things ... a bit more than you do!

After all, Mona Lisa is a bird brain ... and guess what? We're no better? Go ahead, and live by Jon or Ian or Bono, or anyone else ... you're just going to hit your head on many brick walls ... so in a sense, that Admin was right ... almost all of the stuff here is just pop music, and there is no reason to treat it any better than that!

But don't be silly and ignore that there are many pearls amidst all the swine ... and we're ignoring them for empty words and comments!
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Looking down PA's top 100, the only albums that I actively dislike are by Dream Theater, in particular Scenes From a Memory. I just don't get it. I'm not that familiar with Opeth, but what I have heard hasn't had me reaching for the 'off' switch.

Several people have mentioned Radiohead, and I'll admit that I have never made it all the way through OK Computer. For me they were briefly interesting circa Kid A/Amnesiac, but everything else either leaves me cold or I actively dislike it.
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and now given up!
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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Anything by 'Opeless', Rush's 70s output (they suddenly went OK in the early 80s) in fact, as soon as the word 'metal' enters the equation, I run a mile.


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Honestly, I do not have an issue with "metal" ... with one exception ... when it is just a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy kind of thing that just repeats the same thing over and over again. After a while it gets boring and mindless humanoid albino mashmusic for the vaped generation! (... not that we did not ingest anything in the early days ... !!!)
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Anything by 'Opeless', Rush's 70s output (they suddenly went OK in the early 80s) in fact, as soon as the word 'metal' enters the equation, I run a mile.
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Dream Theater - Metropolis Part 2
Opeth - Still Life
Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
Big Big Train - English Electric
Kansas - Leftoverture
Neil Morse - ?
Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever
Spocks Beard - V
Steely Dan - Aja

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:


Opeth, The growls just spoil it. Which is a shame. There's actually good music here. I do try to ignore the growls for the music, but the growls are nails on a chalkboard.
Opeth has released 5 album with no growls. What about those?! Smile


Cristi,

Did I mention those Opeth albums in my top 10? And unlike the other bands on my list where I left the impression that I did not much care for those bands, I did no such thing with Opeth.

With Opeth and the Blackwater album that is rated very highly, I pointed out that the growls for me, ruin an album with good music. I think it was their next album, Damnation, Michael Akerfeldt dropped the growls for that album. I actually enjoy that album. Heritage is good too.


I wasn't reproaching you anything, just wanted to know if you listened to those albums.
I guess I didn't word it right


Cristi,

No, it's all good. I was hoping with my original top 10 I was leaving the impression that with Opeth, unlike the others, that they are a band whose music I find to be good. I like much of the music they have put out. The Death growls kill much of that music.
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Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:


Opeth, The growls just spoil it. Which is a shame. There's actually good music here. I do try to ignore the growls for the music, but the growls are nails on a chalkboard.
Opeth has released 5 album with no growls. What about those?! Smile


Cristi,

Did I mention those Opeth albums in my top 10? And unlike the other bands on my list where I left the impression that I did not much care for those bands, I did no such thing with Opeth.

With Opeth and the Blackwater album that is rated very highly, I pointed out that the growls for me, ruin an album with good music. I think it was their next album, Damnation, Michael Akerfeldt dropped the growls for that album. I actually enjoy that album. Heritage is good too.


I wasn't reproaching you anything, just wanted to know if you listened to those albums.
I guess I didn't word it right

Edited by Cristi - April 13 2025 at 10:51
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:


Opeth, The growls just spoil it. Which is a shame. There's actually good music here. I do try to ignore the growls for the music, but the growls are nails on a chalkboard.
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Opeth has released 5 album with no growls What about those?! Smile


Cristi,

Did I mention those Opeth albums in my top 10? Unlike the other bands on my list where I left the impression that I did not much care for those bands, I did no such thing with Opeth.

With Opeth and the Blackwater album that is rated very highly, I pointed out that the growls for me, ruin an album with good music. I think it was their next album, Damnation, Michael Akerfeldt dropped the growls for that album. I actually enjoy that album. Heritage is good too.

Edited by Big Sky - April 13 2025 at 10:52
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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I can get to about the fourth track. Just horrible. Belew + arty minimalism + angular  = Shoot me now.

Oh boy, Fripp disciplines and Belew INdisciplines, that's the name of the game.
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What's with the strange cloudfare insertions appearing in some of the posts on this thread?
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Hi,

Quote
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King Crimson Larks' Tongues in Aspic
PFM Storia di un minuto
Mike Oldfield Ommadawn
Gong Radio Gnome Invisible Vol. 3 - You

Le Orme Felona e Sorona
Marillion Script for a Jester's Tear
Miles Davis Bitches Brew
Can Ege Bemyasi

Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
Soft Machine - Third (Facelift is horrid but Moon in June is good)
King Crimson - In the Court...(The first and last songs are good, the others meh and Moonchild is bad)
...


I have never really had that issue beyond the first time, when TD's Mysterious Semblance At The Strand of Nightmares scared me senseless, though I'm not sure that the title made a strong difference, and sent me on an internal excursion that was harsh and similar to a Dennis Wheatley novel.

All in all, already being aware of the arts (house with over 40K books of Literature, many of them Portuguese, Brazilian and Spanish writers ... ), I knew that unlike don Juan's comments, a lot of this paper was not ____ ... and thus, after that first time, I no longer had any reactions that harsh to any music, though I have to admit that things like In Camera was a bit on the ... yeah ... side!!!!

To me, a lot of these things were ... just another artist ... just another painting ... just another novel ... just another piece of music ... and thus, the individuality, is the part that brought me to all of them ... and to me, this STILL is, what "progressive" meant and is all about, despite the bizarre numbers used here and there, which is a part of the time and place, but not the original music and where it came from!
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Every Opeth album that features honey monster growls
Anything by Art Zoyd
Anything by Radiohead after OK Computer
Anything by King Crimson after In the Wake of Poseidon
Anything by Robert Wyatt
Anything by Henry Cow
Anything by Magma
Anything by the Cardiacs
Anything by The Mars Volta
Anything by Voivod
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"Great" Albums that You Can't Stomach



You should chew them up a bit before stomaching them... It's easier for digestion TongueLOL



Kidding aside, most of those in those lists, I can't agree with


But Misplaced Chilhood I will agree on... very boring and unbearably chatty/garrulous/talkative, leaving no spce for the instruments


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Edited by Sean Trane - April 13 2025 at 02:26
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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I don't think I can manage ten, but two highly regarded albums I've never managed to appreciate are Relayer and ITCOTCK. I also think Fragile is overated, there are a couple of tracks I like but a lot of filler

I have recently come to appreciated Selling England By The Pound, having previously failed to get into it.

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Discipline
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I can get to about the fourth track. Just horrible. Belew + arty minimalism + angular  = Shoot me now.
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Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

1) Radiohead: OK Computer
2) Radiohead: Kid A
3) Radiohead: The Bends
4) The Mars Volta: De-loused in the Comatorium
5) The Mars Volta: Frances the Mute
6) Magma: Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh
7) Magma: 1001 Centigrades
8) Cardiacs: Sing to God
9) Opeth: Blackwater Park
10) Marillion: Misplaced Childhood

Radiohead, the techno/ electronica, whiny vocals, etc, etc. I've listened to these three albums and there is not a track I can say I really like. Not my cup of tea.

Magma and Cardiacs, despite some attempts, Zeuhl and RIO subcategories of Prog just don't appeal to me.

Marillion, not that I can't stomach them, I just have always found them to be boring. Which may be a worst fate.

Opeth, The growls just spoil it. Which is a shame. There's actually good music here. I do try to ignore the growls for the music, but the growls are nails on a chalkboard.

The Mars Volta, I refer you to Valdez's post above.

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Do you know what mate..... that is a flippin good list; it chimes almost perfectly with my feelings...
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