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Certif1ed 
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 Posted: July 05 2005 at 14:27 |
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And another... poor Nightwish - they seem to have a deathwish...
 — Come on! It's not a progressive masterpiece, it's not even a prog! I agree with "pantof". It is a good power metal album whereas this site is about proggresive rock. The power metal is getting more and more popular lately, so I reckon that you should listen "Once"to have some opinion about whole genre. However I feel that this album shouldn't be reviewed here. And pantof seems upset that his "review" was deleted...
 NIGHTWISH - Once (2004)Review (Permanent link) by pantof @ 11:13:00 AM EST, 7/5/2005 — ok people, this is not prog, i repeat:this is not prog, it is just trivial power metal. The voice is ok, the instrumental is ok too, but the band is just a collectin of greedy people (they dont want prog, they want just money). they do comercial work. My last review was dedicated to this album, but now i can't see it here, so i decided to write another one. no more words..because i don't speak english Finally another Octavarium "review"
 DREAM THEATER - Octavarium (2005)Review (Permanent link) by Trev @ 8:27:22 AM EST, 7/5/2005  — Reviews stating the why and what not of the album are simply superfluous to its enjoyment. It either moves you or it doesn't and 'Octavarium' has certainly done the former. I don't care if certain tracks sound like 'U2' or what tempo they are in. I won't compare this album to DT's previous ones because each one stands alone.I am moved, period. Edited by Certif1ed |
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Gentle Ronnie
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Posted: July 05 2005 at 14:02 |
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NIGHTWISH - Once (2004) Review (Permanent link) by pantof @ 11:13:00 AM EST, 7/5/2005 — ok people, this is not prog, i repeat:this is not prog, it is just trivial power metal. The voice is ok, the instrumental is ok too, but the band is just a collectin of greedy people (they dont want prog, they want just money). they do comercial work. My last review was dedicated to this album, but now i can't see it here, so i decided to write another one. no more words..because i don't speak english Definitely inaprpriate.
1 star only because he thinks they wanted to earn money from selling the album?
 And yet he claims the music to be good?  Delete please.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: July 04 2005 at 15:10 |
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Mike, there is already a thread of the type you describe. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1397 Reviews such as those posted by Symphonic age, and before him Andreas Salvador have been written in a language other than English. They have then been run through an online translator to convert them to English. This gives rise to the literal, and often amusing results. Some of us had a good laugh at the results in the thread I've linked to, but I would emphaise we were laughing at the on line translators efforts, not the reviewers. I'm sure in their native tongue, such reviews are eloquent and well written. At least the reviewers have made the effort to comply with the site's guidelines and post in English.
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Third Eye
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:40 |
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Galactic Michael Romeo is priceless!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:28 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 05:02 |
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I guess you probably can't do anything about such reviews? Some of the things he says are clearly wrong, it appears as though he never got to disc 2. It is an appropriate review of disc 1, though.
Now this is just plainly awful.
This is probably no abuse, but just poorly written ... it doesn't give you any information how this album relates to the other DT albums. Also, he doesn't mention the differences between the two discs, which is one of the things that make this double disc set interesting.
Am I too harsh?
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tuxon
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Posted: July 02 2005 at 10:24 |
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^ The spanish or portugese review is inapropriate, since reviews should be written in English. He should have added at least a rough translation himself, so the english speaking audience knows what the review is about. and wrong assumptions (like expressed by the bad review below) about the review are avoided.
Thanks for translating Fitz |
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Fitzcarraldo
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 CAMEL - Mirage (1974)Review (Permanent link) by Muhammad Al Fatil @ 9:21:40 PM EST, 7/1/2005  — No me parece que sea una obra inmortal del rock progresivo. Si lo es, estimo que es sólo porque es uno de esos discos accesibles y digeribles, que ayudan a quien no está familiarizado con la corriente a conocer sus parámetros principales, porque si de algo está lleno este disco es de clichés.Estructuralmente y musicalmente, aquí no se aportó mucho de nuevo: los solos de teclados y guitarra tienen una reminiscencia muy fuerte a bandas del Canterbury, especialmente el primer Caravan (la voz de Latimer recuerda mucho a la de Richard Sinclair, quien posteriormente se uniría a Camel), aunque debo reconocer que la banda muestra un fiato musical envidiable y una condición de buenos músicos que no puede refutarse -el que no sean muy originales es otro cantar-. Mis temas favoritos son "Supertwister" y "Nimrodel". Pero, pienso que Camel entregando su mejor obra no alcanza a colocarse en la primera división del progresivo, ese grupo elitista en el cual yo pongo a Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, Van der Graaf Generator, ELP o Jethro Tull... A lo mejor los conocí demasiado tarde... "Mirage" es un disco iniciático, por eso las tres estrellas. Rough translation:
It does not seem to me that this is an immortal work of progressive rock. If it is, I consider it is only because it is one of those accessible and digestible discs that help those who are not familiar with the genre to know its main parameters because, if this disc is full of something, it is cliches. Structurally and musically, not much new was contributed here: the keyboard solos and guitar give a very strong reminder of the Canterbury bands, especially the first Caravan (the voice of Latimer reminds one a lot of the voice of Richard Sinclair, who later would join Camel), although I must recognize that the band shows an enviable musical fiato [I don't know the translation of this word] and musicianship that one cannot refute - the fact that it is not very original is another matter. My favourite pieces are "Supertwister" and "Nimrodel". But I think that Camel delivering its best work does not manage to put itself in the first division of prog, that elite in which I place Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, Van der Graaf Generator, ELP or Jethro Tull... Perhaps I knew them too late... "Mirage" is a initiating disc, for that reason the three stars.
CAMEL - Mirage (1974)Review (Permanent link) by Stephen Lang @ 6:03:04 AM EST, 7/2/2005 — Good Heavens! Just where the previous reviwer was coming from? Three stars for "Mirage"...!? Apart from most of us don't speak his/her language, the rating in itself is akin to an insult/provocation!"Mirage" to me is one of the finest offerings by CAMEL. It came from the heart while all key personnel were still at the helm. You can't get much better than that in prog! Now, Stephen, I know a review you don't agree with -- presumably on the rating alone in this case, from what you've said -- is sometimes hard to swallow, but you've got to come up with something better than your first paragraph to justify your 5-star rating as a counter argument against Muhammad's earlier review.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: July 02 2005 at 09:39 |
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I really hate to do this, but I think this (and the quoted "review") is inappropriate:
— " Ok, this is a great pop/alternative album. It has like five or six MTV hits, all of them with their nice commercial videos. In this record all of their lyrics are very bad and simple, so you can understand why their latest lyrics in the new albums talk about nothing now. Anyway, you're gonna love this CD if you've only heard Britney Spears and Backstreet Boys in your whole life, but you're gonna hate it if you've listened really good music like Genesis or Yes. "that review was so damn stupid i am puking right now in disgust...radiohead are not very comercial, successful and comercial are not the same thing, may i remind you that kid A sold a hell lot of copys with little to no advertising and marketing..anyway i just wanting to point that out, calling radiohead nothing but a [&*!#]ty pop band and comparing them to britney spears is pretty shallow, bad lyrics?, have you even heard the album?, to make a review short, the bends is one of the best albums of the 90s, not really progressive like ok computer but very original nonetheless...this is not a long, intelligent review with a whole bunch of details, for that i apologise for being so blunt and urgent, anyway, its a damn good album. Edited by Certif1ed |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:31 |
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It's just uninformed, because Opeth's roots lie in Camel, not PF. Hence the Jazz guitar solos ... |
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Manunkind
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Posted: June 29 2005 at 15:08 |
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DREAM THEATER Images And Words
Review (Permanent link) by Vinicius Melojusto @ 9:20:07 AM EST, 6/27/2005 — It's impossible rate this album with any rating different then 5 stars. And if I could, I would give 6 stars. Seven, maybe. This album is the better work on progressive of any kind (metal, rock, etc) since the time of the ancient dinosaurs.If you don't hear it, maybe you're crazy, maybe you understand nothing. Run, buy your copy, and give to your friends. Give to your enemies, too. Give to all. Maybe the people won't understand. Oh, poor guys. F***'em all, they'll be wrong. Misunderstood.
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Gentle Ronnie
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Yeah, he obviously compares Opeth to Nile, which he shouldn't, seeing as how Opeth is extreme progressive metal and Nile is brutal death metal.
By the way, he also reviewed an another Opeth album, this time giving it two stars:
OPETH Still Life  — Opeth's Still life ,is basically Death Metal for listeners who cannot bring themselves to listen to the real thing like bands such as Nile,Entomed and Morbid Angel who play real epic style Death Metal.Still Life is OK ,but this type of music doesnt work well with soft guitars, soft vocals and soft melodies mixed with heavy Death Metal ,really it sounds a little boring and dull,its trys to please everyone.The recording is nothing spectacular either its at times too limited ,and a bit rudimentary but its not awful either,the drums sounds very earthbound flat.So basically Opeth's Still Life is overatted and offers nothing of real interest and is neither here or there,its a little bit boring. Same thing actually, although this time it seems he rated it, knowing that this review would not be deleted, as he posted more random excuses than the last time.
He NEVER described the tracks, the concept or the most interesting moments, how do you know he actually HEARD it?
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geezer
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 16:14 |
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^^
Thanks for explaining that Manunkind. I misunderstood the review because I'm not familiar with these bands (except some Opeth I have heard) and metal isn't really of my interest. I should just shut up when there's anything that relates to metal.  |
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Manunkind
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 15:42 |
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I have to disagree here. True, he knows the genre Opeth belong to, but he hates this particular sub-genre. In spite of the popular opinion death metal is quite a broad genre. However, just like in prog, there are a lot of death metal listeners who want to narrow down the use of 'death metal' to one or two sub-genres of it. So for example, if you tell a death metal fan that Opeth, In Flames or Soilwork (not to mention non-death metal bands such as Meshuggah or Slipknot) are death metal you're risking a glance similar to the one got by some people who consider DT prog. The reviewer is a conservative death metal fan. The bands he mentions (Nile, Entombed) are completely different death metal than Opeth. The most important thing here is that they (especially Nile) are A LOT more brutal than Opeth. And this is the gist - Opeth simply isn't brutal enough for the reviewer; hence in his ears it's not death metal; hence in his ears it's crap. He implies this by saying that Opeth just sneak in enough death metal into their compositions not to offend anyone. He feels his fav genre is being ridiculed and that Opeth are simply not brutal enough for his ears. He can't really appreciate this melodic, progressive sub-genre of death metal Opeth belong to, so he shouldn't review it anyway. |
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 15:38 |
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LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT - Liquid Tension Experiment 2 (1999)
Review (Permanent link) by Zack @ 1:50:17 PM EST, 6/27/2005 — I simply cannot fathom why this album deserves anything less than 5 stars- For what this album wants to be- its perfect- its an instrumental masterpiece!! There are heavy songs, light songs, long songs and shirter songs- its all around perfect- but when is there going to be a third one??? Please!!!!!! |
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silvertree
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 13:44 |
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About the reviews for Quella Vecchia Locanda's first album : 4 reviews are in Spanish. I thought we were supposed to write in English ? |
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geezer
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 11:41 |
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If somebody dislikes an album it is clearly useful if he writes a bad review of it. The more important thing is that is the band from a genre that he/she likes in general. I think it's useless to write reviews from a genre that you don't like at all. Now, when I read that Opeth review I got the impression that he likes that genre they belong to in general. If that is the case I still don't see anything wrong in the review. He just dislikes the album and their playing and expresses that. If I'm wrong then I agree that it's a useless review. |
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If the guy had said that Yes didn't know how to play prog-rock everyone around here would be demanding the guys head on a silver plate. It's just because people dislike Opeth since they play progressive death metal that totally uninformative reviews of their albums are just fine. So very typical of openminded progheads, is it not? |
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I think most of Psychotic Waltz should be checked out. There is no Prog reviewer review in any of their album, just fanboys posting their stuff. Their first album got 15 five starts out of 15. The others album overall rating aren't far from perfection too. Somes are just plain awful reviews, worst than some stuff from the DT fans. I'll post somes: PSYCHOTIC WALTZ Into The Everflow Review (Permanent link) by Groovman @ 6:41:18 PM EST, 7/10/2004 — I bought the reissue last week!!! I'm Shocked, this is the best music i ever heard!!!!!!!! What the hell... I can't describe this album you have to hear it your self... Why this bands isn't well known to poeple??? I DEMMAND AN ANSWER!!! WHY???? CHECK EM OUT, STEAL, KILL but get their cds No comments...
PSYCHOTIC WALTZ Into The Everflow 100/5 on every albums?... Mhm...
PSYCHOTIC WALTZ Into The Everflow
Review (Permanent link) by rachel @ 7:38:49 PM EST, 6/30/2004 — I Agree with all the reviews in everything they say... It's the highest form of music ever born... Dan Rock (P.W.) guitarist said that a song is the most important relationship to us... It's like the greatest thing man can achieve the birth of a child... Buddy said (P.W. Voice) "I can't understand the reasons they compare us with bands like dream theater... we grew up in the streets of America not Musical Colegues..." and i put my hands in the fire damn he's really right, at this moment like any other psychotic waltz dudes bleed becouse they knew everything about this [%*!#]in world and Mike Portnoy is in a big building full of funcy useless poeple incuding him and he is achieving one more Drum Player Gold Cup...Psychotic Waltz are not just music, even if they play the best music in the world.... Will ever anyone really know about them??? Even prog-metaler hates DT... funny...
PSYCHOTIC WALTZ A Social Grace Review (Permanent link) by Azraelius2112 @ 7:57:47 AM EST, 6/27/2005 — Psychotic Waltz was and is a myth. This record forever will be a special observation by a band, which created a kind of music that couldn't be played from typical human beeings. When I listen to "songs" like ...and the devil cried, another prophet song, a psychotic waltz or nothing, I can dive in a world full of phylosophic questions which will be answered inside there and changes my picture of the world, it's out of sight, state of art and for sure out of mind. The creative ideas from this band came from smoking pot and stuff, that's the only possibility when you hear this complex beautiful heavy stuff. I won't try to compare the music here which other, because PW really stand alone on floor, even if there are big influences of Jethro Tull and Black Sabbath listenable here and there, but Waltz is Waltz and don't try to make a illusion out of it, to discover them, listening to their legendary music, it's a journey you'll never forget! No word about the music... just how orgasmic it is... |
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geezer
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 06:42 |
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^^
Firstly, I don't think that there is nothing inappropriate in that Opeth review. The guy is just stating his opinion and his arguments are not random. You can either agree or disagree with him.
Of course you can give any album 1 star, even Foxtrot, if that is your opinion and you have some arguments (not random) for it. You are just using a really stupid example because it is impossible that Foxtrot is a Dream Theater rip-off. You should at least have arguments that can be true in practise. If you think that they can't play music and the drums suck that is okay , nothing wrong with that. Edited by geezer |
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