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There is only one thing I would like to have, and listen to ... the long versions of "Dazed and Confused" ... though there is one that I heard on a bootleg (Live on Blueberry Hill) that has it and I think it is about 15/20 minutes long, but I don't have that anymore and it was gone at a time that I was in dire straits and needed the extra dollars. Seeing this mentioned in the blurb about the new film, is neat, and it really has my mind flying all over the place, and hearing that one version was over 30 minutes long!

There are too many great things, but I think I am more attuned to the first and second albums. They have an energy that you can hear on those early bootlegs that is nowhere near so much of the live crap released elsewhere by other bands. Some folks don't like the quality of the albums since some were done on a small cassette player (for example) and tough to listen to, but if the only important thing in them was the energy and you didn't catch it, then you would not be interested. Without that energy, I don't think the band would have been as important and valuable as it was to so many folks all over the world.


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^ Agreed, their shows were their finest moments and it's not the quality of the boots (though often poor), it's the amazing content.   No one gave more to the audience than Zep.   In concert and beyond ...
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Agreed, their shows were their finest moments and it's not the quality of the boots (though often poor), it's the amazing content.   No one gave more to the audience than Zep.   In concert and beyond ...

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Thanks. This is a tough area, because the majority of the folks have no idea what was in those bootlegs and how they "felt" at all ... and sadly, many folks think that it was bad, but then, I never heard a single complaint about the Grateful Dead ... and folks were allowed to plug into their sound board!!!

The one thing that really bothered me, was when Jimmy put together "How the West Was Won" and it was based on three bootlegs, around a series of shows in LA, and Bonzo's birthday, if I am not mistaken. Those three bootlegs were the last great bootlegs that I remember and have heard, but the sad thing is that Jimmy screwed up the boots by making changes and adjust "mistakes" so it would come back better ... and in the end, he took the feel out of the bootlegs and the CD, for me, was really poor, and some energy was missing, and obviously cut up. At the time I had the boots, so when I heard that album ... I really lost a lot of respect for the band and what was done ... and while I appreciated some of their work, it was not ever going to get the appreciation that the early material had.

One of the saddest things I have ever seen done to some music. It would have been better to remaster the bootleg and release it ... it would be funny to see if someone was going to sue the band and say that bootleg came from his hand .... you and I would laugh on this one for sure!

But to mess with the concert material itself ... was bad ... really bad, mistakes or not, something that 95% of us probably can't tell at all, anyway!



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As a long time Zep Bootie, I think my personal favorite is Seattle 1975.   Central Park NY 1969 also great, and L.A. 1972.   

Zeppelin's biggest complaint about bootlegs was the quality & price, so I'm not surprised Page wanted to adjust HtWwW.   But yeah, we want the real thing and in order of performance.

Good point about the Dead, but they're a different animal ...better recordings and the Dead's levels were compatible with private recordings.   
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My number one band.

1. When the Levee Breaks
2. Dazed and Confused
3. Stairway to Heaven
4. Bron-Y-Aur Stomp
5. Whole Lotta Love
6. Immigrant Song
7. The Ocean
8. Heartbreaker
9. Fool in the Rain
10. Trampled Under Foot
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Agreed, their shows were their finest moments and it's not the quality of the boots (though often poor), it's the amazing content.   No one gave more to the audience than Zep.   In concert and beyond ...
Thanks. This is a tough area, because the majority of the folks have no idea what was in those bootlegs and how they "felt" at all ... and sadly, many folks think that it was bad

In regards to bootlegs that may actually present a band at its finest or best, but poorly recorded, that's partly correct.

I get the idea of how the music "felt" when there's a certain element of "re-experiencing" a moment or moments, that I was once a part of. As an audience, I mean. With bands I've seen live and experienced being blown away by first hand - a rough or bad recording is far less bothersome. I can "fill in the gaps" and relive something greater than what I am actually listening to. If I played the same recording to a friend who has never experienced this band or artist in a concert, it will probably come across as somewhat unlistenable. I don't think anyone suspects that a bad recording of a show says anything about the quality of the actual show, though.

I will never really understand how Led Zeppelin live "felt" through a a badly recorded bootleg, in the way that you two do. Not even close. Having no real life memories of them to relive or re-experience, makes that near impossible for me. Well, that's just how this works for me I guess.
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^ I became quite preoccupied by their live shows and their ability to reinvent their music, often giving spontaneously improvised performances that few ever attempted and truly breathing new life into the material.   I don't know of any other artists who achieved this, even Hendrix at his most experimental.   Only jazz artists focused on this aspect of live performance.   Bootlegs were the only avenue into this experience and sadly they were often audience recordings at a time when taping methods were inferior---   usually not even allowed, and done under less than ideal circumstances.   Consequently, Zeppelin private releases became like rare if flawed treasures.




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^ ELP?
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^ Mmm, I don't think so, not when compared to Zeppelin, but they certainly made an effort.
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