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Points: 20349 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 hours 35 minutes ago at 02:32
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Art-rock was not removed but split in three: eclectic, crossover and heavy-prog. 
That's a weird way of looking at it. If Art-Rock wasn't removed, it would obviously still be here. Art-Rock was removed from PA. The bands and artists however, were kept and placed in some newly made up sub-genres instead.


I meant all the bands under "art-rock" were divided and tagged under the three genres mentioned above. 
So King Crimson, Rush, Van Der Graaf Generator and Gentle Giant weren't removed from the Progarchives along with Art-Rock? Good to know.

I wanted to keep Art Rock alive  in PA (especially so that all prog bands were known to me and the buddies as "Art Rock" back then >> I only became aware of "Prog" in the early 90's)

However, some contested this, and the excuse (somewhat valid) is that this "genre" had become a dumping ground and the sheer number of bands in there had become unmanageable.
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A bit off-topic here, but when talking about being proud of some Progressive Rock as a progger, it's like somehow identify oneself with the genre and feeling proud on behalf of it. It's like some people can feel proud of belonging to a certain nation, and I can for instance feel proud of the Danish welfare state. 





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There is a comprehensive site called art rock heaven that features most of the bands featured here at PA. I’m thinking the two go hand in hand for the most part. Most of Prog can be squeezed into many sub genres IMO. The term Art-Rock is certainly more inclusive. Prog purists (not me) know the difference I think, and I respect that.
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Classical Rock (not to be confused with the more general ''Classic Rock'' moniker for just about everything in rock that came along around about 1968-1973), Techno Rock and Keyboard Rock were also terms I heard used when growing up. ELP were and still are the most held up example of a ''prog'' band and what the term means (ie it's not meant as a compliment). I think Art-Rock was a term that many bands of that era used to distance themselves from what they considered to be overly technical and bombastic bands such as ELP. However Art rock, although supposedly more cerebral, was arguably more pretentious (although ELP ironically also got lumbered with that criticism when they tried to be more 'arty' as on Works Volume One). I hope my cynical tone is coming through when it comes to this. Ultimately though ''it'' (arty progressive music) is about high level musicianship as far as I'm concerned. You need the tools to build something. Pop musicians only do what they do because they have no capability to do anything different usually being propped up by a producer and a great marketing budget. Ultimately we like to promote actual talent on this site and that includes Supertramp, Kate Bush, David Bowie and 10CC to name a few obvious ones who never were 'prog' at all.
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