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Logan
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Only White Light / White Heat gets Proto-Punk as one of its main genres. With rateyourmusic it makes more sense to look at the specific albums and to use the specific term they use and look at the definitions which are linked.
Primary: Experimental Rock, Noise Rock, Proto-Punk Secondary: Garage Rock, Psychedelic Rock, Spoken Word And The Velvet Underground & Nico has it as a secondary genre: Primary: Art Rock, Experimental Rock Secondary: Proto-Punk, Noise Rock, Garage Rock, Psychedelic Rock, Art Pop No where does it just say punk there for that. People at PA would often say that Proto-Prog is not the same as Prog (I would counterargue that they overlap and there is often no clear dividing line). Here is how Proto-punk is defined at rateyourmusic:
I don't have a problem with this, and would have said that VU has proto-punk or punk-like qualities on albums just by using my own ears and also know it had an influence on punk. I am barely a member of RYM (well, I have an account but only used it briefly), funny how often I have defended it, but I think people have been unfair and careless in criticisms. Edited by Logan - December 08 2024 at 15:03 |
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siLLy puPPy
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^ i love RYM. It's the best music database on the interweb as far as i'm concerned and doesn't have the ANNOYING deadbeat owner problems that this site does. Also i can make cool lists there like my
ANGSTY ORIGINS: The History of PROTO-PUNK and the Artists That Led to a MovementLike this doesn't link for whatever retarded reason. Edited by siLLy puPPy - December 08 2024 at 15:10 |
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Cristi
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Proto-punk is not a music genre, anything proto-whatever is not a genre, just an umbrella term that explains the roots or the origins of a genre, retrospectively. |
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David_D
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I'd say, it's more about brain than ears. |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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siLLy puPPy
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Well, correct. I thought that was obvious. Same with proto-metal and proto-anything. It's a collection of influences that led to a genre. It's a useful tag for anyone digging up influences though. |
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Cristi
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True.
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A Crimson Mellotron
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Hmmm... what about none? Can't stand punk.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Top 20 Proto-Punk Bands
Blue Cheer The Dictators Dr. Feelgood Flamin' Groovies The Fugs Iggy Pop & the Stooges The Kingsmen MC5 The Modern Lovers The Monks New York Dolls Ted Nugent & the Amboy Dukes Pink Fairies The Shaggs The Sonics Television Them The Troggs Velvet Underground The Wailers
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David_D
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That was actually grotesque if you ask me, and I have a very good knowledge of the two sites as well.
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David_D
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Anyway, my list is still growing, as I now also added Joy Division (UK) - Closer (Post-/Gothic, 1980)
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David_D
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And here's another of the true Punk anthems, from The Dead Kennedys' Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables: Edited by David_D - December 09 2024 at 13:52 |
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David_D
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To all Punk purists, I can also tell that I now write in my OP: "My own list is based on RateYourMusic's retrospective and very broad Punk definition......"
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Logan
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Does that include all post-punk and all music that you would consider to be punk related? --------------------- By the way, my list before which I thought I might get called out on for some additions, goes into more than what I would consider just punk, but punky music and punk related music. While I compiled this from some polls I made, it still took some time to edit and add here and I thought it may be seen to have some value to the list-making and discussion and quickly fell several pages down. Bauhaus: In the Flat Field (1980) / The Sky's Gone Out (1982) Black Country, New Road: For the First Time (2021) / Ants From Up There (2022) black midi: Schlagenheim (2019) / Hellfire (2022) Camberwell Now: The Ghost Trade (1986) / Dejaunost v študentskem (Live, 1987) Cardiacs: A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window (1988) / On Land and in the Sea (1989) Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds: Your Funeral ... My Trial (1986) / Let Love In (1994) The Chameleons: Script of the Bridge (1983) / Strange Times (1986) Cocteau Twins: Garlands (1982) / Head Over Heels (1983) The Comsat Angels: Waiting for a Miracle (1980) / Sleep No More (1981) The Cure: Pornography (1982) / Disintegration (1989) Daughters: Daughters (2010) / You Won't Get What You Want (2018) Deep Turtle: Snakefish (EP, 1992) / There's a Vomitsprinkler in My Liverriver (1994) Devo: Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo! (1978) / Duty Now for the Future (1979) Dog Faced Hermans: Hum of Life (1993) / Those Deep Buds (1994) Echo & The Bunnymen: Porcupine (1983) / Ocean Rain (1984) The Fall: Hex Enduction Hour (1982) / Perverted Language (1983) Faraquet: Faraquet / Akarso (EP, 1999) / The View From This Tower (2000) Geese: Projector (2021) / 3D Country (2023) IDLES: Brutalism (2017) / Joy as an Act of Resistance. (2018) Interpol: Turn on the Bright Lights (1982) / Antics (2004) Joy Division: Unknown Pleasures (1979) / Closer (1980) Killing Joke: Killing Joke (1980) / Night Time (1985) Magazine: Real Life (1978) / Secondhand Daylight (1979) Melt-Banana: Cell-Scape (2003) / Fetch (2013) Minutemen: What Makes a Man Start Fires? (1983) / Double Nickels on the Dime (1984) Mission of Burma: Vs. (1982) / The Obliterati (2006) The National: Alligator (2005) / Boxer (2007) Colin Newman: A-Z (1980) / Not To (1982) Parquet Courts: Light Up Gold (2012) / Wide Awake (2018) Pere Ubu: The Modern Dance (1978) / Dub Housing (1978) Iggy Pop: The Idiot (1977) / Lust for Life (1977) Protomartyr: The Agent Intellect (2015) / Relatives in Descent (2017) Public Image Ltd.: Metal Box (1979) / The Flowers of Romance (1981) Siouxsie and The Banshees: Juju (1981) / Tinderbox (1986) The Sisters of Mercy: First and Last and Always (1985) / Floodland (1987) Skids: Days in Europa (1979) / The Absolute Game (1980) Patti Smith: Horses (1975) / Radio Ethiopia (1976) The Sound: Jeopardy (1980) / From the Lions Mouth (1981) Sumo: Divididos por la felicidad (1985) / Llegando los monos (1986) Squid: Bright Green Field (2021) / O Monolith (2023) Swans: Children of God (1987) / The Great Annihilator (1995) Talking Heads: Fear of Music (1979) / Remain in Light (1980) Television: Marquee Moon (1977) / Adventure (1978) Thinking Fellers Union Local 282: Mother of All Saints (1992) / Strangers From the Universe (1994) This Heat: This Heat (1979) / Deceit (1981) Tuxedomoon: Desire (1981) / Holy Wars (1985) Violent Femmes: Violent Femmes (1983) / Hallowed Ground (1984) Wipers: Is This Real? (1980) / Youth of America (1981) Wire: Chairs Missing (1978) / 154 (1979) XTC: Drums and Wires (1979) / Black Sea (1980) Various of those are questionable, but it's a quality and relation that I see in all of these. |
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siLLy puPPy
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What's grotesque is that this site crashes on me almost every time I visit it. The forum doesn't work, messages don't work etc etc etc NEVER happens on RYM which is impeccably maintained and updated regularly. Edited by siLLy puPPy - December 09 2024 at 09:55 |
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Psychedelic Paul
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I like your broad-brush approach..... If the definition of Punk Rock is broadened to include Post-Punk, then there are several bands I do like, including Simple Minds, The Smiths & U2. |
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Hi, I'm not sure these fit in the "punk" category. Patti was more about her words and poetry, than it was about anything else, though in a place like NY, she did not fit with VU, and ended up being fit as "punk", something that I'm not sure she is at all ... if you read her book (about Mapplethorpe's time) ... you'll find her very together and strong ... XTC, is kinda hard to explain, and sometimes I think that they are "anti-punk" since what they did was not exactly crap, and they were extremely creative and exploratory, something that I'm not sure many would say about the punk scene, which is seen by many as just a publicity stunt, and not a whole lot of artistic merit ... though I believe they had a right to do what they did and their over reaction to other musics out there, was valid, if not unnecessary. Pompous stuff will fall on their own via their own pomposity!
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Logan
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I was saying punk or related for my list, and Patti Smith does seem punk associated to me (has punky/ punk-like qualities to me ears). I see that RateYourMusic classifies Horses primarily as Proto-Punk, Singer-Songwriter, Art Rock, and Radio Ethiopia primarily as Art Rock, Proto-Punk.
As for XTC, I would put those in the having Post-Punk qualities category. Generally I much prefer what will often fall into Post-Punk than Punk proper. I offered the RYM description of Proto-punk in this thread already, here is how they (Rate Your Music) describe Post-Punk (not that I have been using that as my main music site resouce for long enough that I often tend to associate the way they do):
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To be sure you got this post of mine correctly and as first, I assumed that your post was an (indirect?) comment to Cristi's criticism of RYM's credibility; and what I found grotesque was this crticism if comparing RYM's credibility to PA's. |
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siLLy puPPy
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^ i'm criticizing technical housekeeping. This site is poorly
maintained. I LOVE the site and the enthusiasm that has created a
spectacular database. This site could be so much better though if it was
run by someone who cared more.
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