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Trippy Crossroads: U.S. Psychedelia & Krautrock |
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GuruCan 
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 Topic: Trippy Crossroads: U.S. Psychedelia & KrautrockPosted: November 30 2024 at 00:56 |
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Let's dive into the possible link that makes the late 1960s U.S. psychedelic rock and Krautrock, also called kosmische Musik, which was developed in then West Germany in the 1970s. An avant-garde yet psychedelic movement such as Krautrock and its bands like Can, Guru Guru, Cluster, Neu!, and La Düsseldorf tried to break free from the usual rock structures, while U.S. psychedelia was deeply indebted to the counterculture, with bands like The Doors, The United States of America, The Grateful Dead, and Lothar and the Hand People entering new dimensions through extended jams and experimental sounds.
Krautrock is overall typified by trippy, repetitious rhythms, electronic tones, often cosmic ambience, and a general tendency towards improvisation. U.S. psychedelic rock features lush harmonies personalised by hypnotic jamming, surreal lyrics, as well as some experimental techniques such as reverb, and so forth. Are there any possible similarities? How could the attributes affect each other? What are the possible similarities? In what way could the characteristics really have influenced each other? Did some 70s Krautrock artists incorporate elements of American psychedelic rock from the 60s? How did they reflect social change? What are the essential discographies in this cross-section of two psychedelic genres? |
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Jacob Schoolcraft
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Posted: November 30 2024 at 07:07 |
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When I listen to early Pink Floyd with Syd Barrett I hear Sci-Fi influenced television themes briefly repeated under a verse and chorus which extends into schizo type jamming. Syd Barrett was obviously influenced by AMMM MUSIC.
When I start playing my Krautrock collection around the house I begin noticing chord progressions and sounds that Syd Barrett and early Floyd would have used on Piper. Not so much the whimsical stuff ..but the Space Rock invention itself. Syd Barrett was not a virtuoso player by any means..but he was innovative for creating styles in Europe that had an impact on other bands. Some of the early Daevid Allen songs off the first 6 Gong albums are obviously influenced by Syd Barrett's more whimsical and childish poetic approach. I can see how American Psychedelic would have influenced Krautrock musicians however members of Amon Duul persisted in saying that they didn't want to sound American 🤔...nor did they desire to sound English...but they probably did anyway and it may be difficult to analyze just how. The song "Lather" by Jefferson Airplane reminds me of an early Pink Floyd song or a Barrett song. If you just replace Grace Slick's vocal with Syd Barrett or Roger Waters it's telling...or perhaps it's a coincidence ? |
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 30 2024 at 07:27 |
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THE COSMIC JOKERS They're cosmic! Tripping the light fantastic with one of the best-known Krautrock supergroups, which included such notable members as Klaus Schulze and Manuel Goettsching (Ash Ra Tempel) and with five cosmic albums to their name. The five albums were assembled and released all in one incredible year by label boss "The Kaiser" without the performers' knowledge - and that's no joke!   1974: The Cosmic Jokers - The Cosmic Jokers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzJhoAXLmjM 1974: The Cosmic Jokers - Galactic Supermarket - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVo_cS_XdL8 1974: The Cosmic Jokers - Planeten Sit-In - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUh_kC28e0g 1974: The Cosmic Jokers - Sci-Fi Party - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPZSCQ26J30 1974: The Cosmic Jokers - Gilles Zeitschiff - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mFNEAEm7UVS5SMUSO0n9Xmvb_QDG3kJq8 |
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moshkito
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Posted: November 30 2024 at 20:50 |
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Hi,
I stand by both, and am awfully fond of them, and their material, which has stood out time very well ... with perhaps one issue ... the German version is more appreciated, than the American version that went on to be trashed by the media, and eventually thought to not be important, and overly infatuated with themselves ... probably (my thought) because a lot of their material was more "direct" in terms of politics, which created a lot of friction and problems in the media ... at the very least, in Europe (maybe not England ... ) there was a much wider respect for the arts, and music was accepted a lot more, specially when it started to sell, and the German companies stopped asking for schlagger and ignore the money that could be made from their own groups ... however, by the time that took place, it was already slimmed down to a smaller list of groups. The hatred, and the media attention to the "psychedelia" days in America, were really hard to deal with, and by the time that Altamont came down, the majority of the scene was going down hill, with the Jefferson Airplane bloodied on the stage ... and the media just about said ... well deserved ... and the bad part of it all is probably that America did not have a real publication to help the music, not to mention that what took place in the West Coast was laughed at and ignored in the East Coast, and vice versa, and then you had to deal with Nashville, completely separate, and all of a sudden the southern bands come up big time. America, showed itself to be ... 4 different countries, at least, and this made it really tough all around ... but the lack of a real publication that was more serious about the music, and Rolling Stone in those days was not helpful and I still guess that there was some serious issues in publication, but their attention to the sleazy side of all things ... hurt it all, even worse. "The Cosmic Jokers" is a sad story in some ways, but the worst part of it, is that because of the rip offs, none of it, if any, was thought to have valuable material ... and there were a lot of really fine things in it, that were always trashed and none of the musicians ever saw any money from them ... afaik ... which is really sad, but the romantic side of the whole thing had created some really far out things, even if some of them were a bit off key and weird. "Planeten Sit-In" is a fine album and some of the material was far out. The actual album "The Cosmic Jokers" was really good, and one side of it is an improvisation that is on par with AD2's MM Soundtrack from "Dance of the Lemmings" .... the touch and feel of the material was outstanding, and never has it been recognized ... as musically valid, or valued. And thanks PP ... for the listing. Sadly, putting together a listing for the Americans, would be much more difficult, with the harsh divisions across the USA. And even worse, was the attention some bands got for trashing Neil Young, at a time, when the media thought all youngsters and students were trash ... and the music was meaningless ... which was something that was sort of forgotten and left behind, by the time FM radio hit the big stage going into 1972 and 1973 ... at least in the West Coast ... but still the "control" was in place of the media, as was evident as to what happened in LA a few years later ... that took a major station down over night and brought it back in the morning, on tape, and "new age" music. The lack of a music periodical to put down the folks that did such a massive thing, was never seen or bothered with ... by that time, RS was more interested in the "stars" and didn't care about the music! The one band, that never quit, and continued, is the "soul" of the whole thing, even if a lot of folks don't specially like it, but they continued for many more years, and today, are more appreciated that ever, and still sell ... and one could say that it was their bootlegs, most of which came from their sound board with the band's blessing ... that kept them alive and appreciated. To this day, American music will not bother appreciating The Grateful Dead and its massive road and history. They DID, and WERE ... the very soul of that whole psychedelia thing and West Coast. And, as sad as this sounds, they never stopped playing! Today, though, I'm not sure a definitive write up can be put together ... with the Internet as divisive as ever, and all over the place, with nothing to fight for, or appreciate, so it seems, except the almighty number one and the commercial standard. So hard, and sad to write all this ... I wish I had studied the West Coast better, but it feels like the whole thing is so fractured, as to leave it no choice but to fall off and be ignored. Seeing this article, and desire ... is NICE, and all I can say is THANKS.
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Starshiper
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Posted: December 01 2024 at 22:29 |
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I, for one, would attribute the influence of the New York City psychedelic electronic duo Silver Apples and their first two albums on Krautrock as the most significant of those influences that came from the United States in the late 1960s. Silver Apples innovative use of synthesisers, hypnotic grooves, and repetitive rhythms parallels Krautrock's avant-garde ethos.
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Intruder
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Posted: 8 hours 42 minutes ago at 17:56 |
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The good ol' Grateful Dead - the US band most referenced by Krautrockers as an inspiration. Their omission on these pages is beyond bewildering.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Posted: 7 hours 38 minutes ago at 19:00 |
Well that’s something I didn’t know. Or even suspect. |
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