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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:


Is it really any better to write that 70's Genesis is "whiny and pretentious/pompous/overblown" to you? Overrated means "person or thing is considered to be better or more important than they really are". That's not nonsense to me. I understand it's meaning and I'm gonna use it as part of my subjective opinion - that I consider to be correct.

I think there is a subtle difference between saying a) that you do not like something as much as others and saying b) that you think that others should like it less, and I'm trying to avoid the latter. But of course I'm aware that any negative comment about these iconic releases might sound like option b to the casual reader. LOL
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Honestly it makes more sense of talking about albums from band I love, or else I'll just shout "entire Yes discography" or other bands that don't do much for me. Given that, some albums I find overrated:

Porcupine Tree - Fear of a Blank Planet: I just like much more both previous and after albums lol I'm not really a fan of the lyrics/theme and all the songs share a similar mood.
Steven Wilson - Tha Raven: Not big fan of this one as well, HCE and Grace for Drowning are much more interesting to me.
Pink Floyd - The Wall - Too much opera to me, I like more spacey and structured songs from Pink Floyd.
Rush - 2112 - The big song doesn't do much for me either and it is weirdly structured lol
Genesis - Foxtrot - Album is great, but Selling england.., The Lamb... and Trespass are much better to me. Supper's Ready have great passages but tbh I don't enjoy the entirety of it.
Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear: Don't enjoy much the production in this one, Childhood's and Clutching at Straws are better, imo.
 


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Originally posted by Deadwing Deadwing wrote:

Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear: Don't enjoy much the production in this one, Childhood's and Clutching at Straws are better, imo.
I understand the importance of «Script...», but it's not an album that drives me crazy at all. That said, Marillion is still one of my favorite bands.
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Marillion are definitely a band that I find interesting for their entire output but individual albums less so. I'm not a massive fan of FOABP either. Everyone says it's great so it must be but personally I enjoy In Absentia a lot more. Pink Floyd are all about the 3 masterpieces in a row imo.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I'm not a massive fan of FOABP either. Everyone says it's great so it must be but personally I enjoy In Absentia a lot more.

I agree. Thumbs Up
I don't remember when i last gave FOABP a listen. I don't even know why. I'll give it a chance soon, to see what I'd think these days. 
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Some of the popular and highly praised albums I can't stand:
• Terry Riley - A Rainbow in Curved Air
• Tangerine Dream - Rubycon
• Klaus Schulze - Mirage
• Jethro Tull - Aqualung
• Area - Arbeit Macht Frei
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CTTE.

I’m only 54. Would I love it if I’d “been there”? I don’t think so. I just don’t like it, and in particular I’m not a fan of Steve Howe’s guitar sound…..

But how anyone can think that Images & Words is overrated is beyond me!!!😩🤯☺️
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:


Is it really any better to write that 70's Genesis is "whiny and pretentious/pompous/overblown" to you? Overrated means "person or thing is considered to be better or more important than they really are". That's not nonsense to me. I understand it's meaning and I'm gonna use it as part of my subjective opinion - that I consider to be correct.


I think there is a subtle difference between saying a) that you do not like something as much as others and saying b) that you think that others should like it less, and I'm trying to avoid the latter. But of course I'm aware that any negative comment about these iconic releases might sound like option b to the casual reader. LOL


If I think something is overrated (at least overrated by one or some) it means that I think that give too much worth to it, it's held in too high esteem. That does mean to me that they like it too much. There is music I consider to be very proficient, and I might consider great, that doesn't appeal to me. I would not say that someone like it less, but maybe reassess their claims about the music. As an extreme example, a parent may prefer their 3 year beginner's rendition of "Für Elise" to that of a professional concert pianist, but from a technical standpoint that concert pianist's performance probably is objectively better. I won;t tell the parent that they should like the concert pianist's performance more, but if they believe that their 3 years old's performance is objectively better, well that's likely pretty problematic. What used to annoy me (no doubt I am somewhere on the spectrum but so are a huge many) was when people would make subjective statements as if they were objective fact. And then when one would question, they would double-down on it. Sometimes I do get a sense myself of something not being all that it's cracked up to be bay many (i.e overrated) without clear evidence or a clear argument. We all have our biases, but some come across as less aware of them or ready to acknowledge them. Still, I would not tell others that they should enjoy it less. Maybe they should appreciate it less in some ways however, especially if they have misconceptions, such as, if someone claimed/ believed such a thing (just an example) that Marillion saved progressive music in the 80s or that Ayreon is the most inventive and experimental composer ever and Transitus is objectively the greatest album of recent years in every conceivable way and that should be obvious to everyone else in the world. Greatest for you, fine, but excuse my ignorance and arrogance if I think you are overrating the album and its significance.
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