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Heh, I feel like I'm the only one here who actually likes Phil Collins's solo stuff. Don't get me wrong though - Yes' CTTE is my favourite album - but I do like a little bit of pop from time to time, no matter how shameful it may be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 12:15
Originally posted by felona felona wrote:

Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Originally posted by felona felona wrote:

Kirklott ...are you still there? You've gone very quiet all of a sudden ...

Having second thoughts about Duke yet? 

Dear Felona,

My friend, gentleman, scholar:

I am in the Rocky Mountains USA - a different hemisphere and ergo a different time zone. I have just arisen from a long night's slumber: refreshed and rivatlized from a deep repose, ready to once again defend my position, and assault/attack if necessary.

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 Hey, wasn't he the guy from KISS? Glad you had a good ZZZZzzz ... I am off to bed now cos its getting very late in my little corner of the world. Look forward to some jesting with you again soon Mr Navajo Warrior!

Just to clarify, I require only 90 minutes of (light) repose per 24 hour period. I can run 75 miles or more without rest, survive extreme temperatures, require minimal sustenance, and derive all necessary moisture through reclamation from my own respiration.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 12:10
Originally posted by bertburt bertburt wrote:

. Please Don't Ask - "Oh, you lost some weight I can see, your hair looks nice, you look good"

 

*reaches for the anti-depressants*

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 12:09

Originally posted by Rhayader Rhayader wrote:

I liked Duke, in fact, I even liked Invisible Touch.

*puts on flame-retardant suit*

Well, as counter-intuitive as this may seem, I think Invisible Touch was the best (read: least bad) Genesis album after ...And There Were Three.

I mean, it had four horrible songs, but four that were ok or actually good: Tonight Tonight Tonight, Domino, Land of Confusion, and the Brazilian.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 12:08

Always been a tie for first for me (most hideous Genesis line)

1. Ballad of Big -"Big and his men were jumped by an all-star Indian tribe"...What the...?

2. Please Don't Ask - "Oh, you lost some weight I can see, your hair looks nice, you look good"

 

So, essentially, two things commonly come to mind for me with Duke....the horrendous 'weight' line, and how Duke can twist his left hand around like that on the cover (guess it's easy, I'm just too brittle for the slightest contortion)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 11:46
Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Originally posted by felona felona wrote:

Kirklott ...are you still there? You've gone very quiet all of a sudden ...

Having second thoughts about Duke yet? 

Dear Felona,

My friend, gentleman, scholar:

I am in the Rocky Mountains USA - a different hemisphere and ergo a different time zone. I have just arisen from a long night's slumber: refreshed and rivatlized from a deep repose, ready to once again defend my position, and assault/attack if necessary.

Click to Enter

 Hey, wasn't he the guy from KISS? Glad you had a good ZZZZzzz ... I am off to bed now cos its getting very late in my little corner of the world. Look forward to some jesting with you again soon Mr Navajo Warrior!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 11:37
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

I have ton agree with Kirkklott, Duke makes me sick.

I accept it's slightly better than ATTW3 but that doesn't mean a thing because both are bad.

No Gabriel and Hackett......No Genesis

Ivàn

Finally, a voice of reason in a wilderness of lunacy! Ivan, mi hermano! Do you listen to Citizen Cain (www.citizen-cain.com) and The Watch (www.thewatch.it)?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 11:33

I have ton agree with Kirkklott, Duke makes me sick.

I accept it's slightly better than ATTW3 but that doesn't mean a thing because both are bad.

No Gabriel and Hackett......No Genesis

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 11:14
Originally posted by felona felona wrote:

Kirklott ...are you still there? You've gone very quiet all of a sudden ...

Having second thoughts about Duke yet? 

Dear Felona,

My friend, gentleman, scholar:

I am in the Rocky Mountains USA - a different hemisphere and ergo a different time zone. I have just arisen from a long night's slumber: refreshed and rivatlized from a deep repose, ready to once again defend my position, and assault/attack if necessary.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 11:10
Originally posted by Flyingbebert Flyingbebert wrote:

"Duke" could have been one of the greatest Genesis album if there weren't songs like "heathaze" or "please don't ask", "alone tonight", and the stupid arrangements on "turn it on again" make it sound too poppy (it could have been a great song, the live version in "three side live" is better).

Alright, well that's half the album.

That's like saying this would have been a lovely meal, if half the plate hadn't been covered with sh*te.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 11:09
Originally posted by dalt99 dalt99 wrote:

Wow.

Well, I have never bought Duke and have yet to hear it. I was surely not going to buy it after Kirklott's rantings but with all the good reviews (a few anyway) I just may have to buy it now!

Uh...thanks...Kirklott...?

Well, here's my tip: if you want to get the only good track from Duke, which is Duke's Travels Duke' End, get the Genesis Archive 2, which you can find for as low as $10 on ebay. Because you'll also get these tasty b-sides and live versions, a few of which feature Hackett and Bruford:

CD ONE

3. You Might Recall (5:31) (great outtake)
5. Evidence Of Autumn (
4:58) (good outtake)
8. Naminanu (
3:54) (great outtake)
9. Inside And Out (
6:43) (from the Spot the Pigeon EP, with Hackett!)
12. Submarine (
5:13) (good outtake)

CD TWO: 72:42
3. It's Gonna Get Better (
7:32) (live)
4. Deep In The Motherlode (
5:54) (live)
5. Ripples (
9:53) (live with Hackett?)
6. The Brazilian (
5:17) (live)
8. Burning Rope (
7:28) (live)
9. Entangled (
6:57) (live with Hackett?)
10. Duke's Travels / Duke's End (
9:31) (live)

CD THREE: 69:37
3. Tonight, Tonight, Tonight 12" (
11:46)
6. The Lady Lies (
6:08) (live)
7. Open Door (
4:08) (good outtake)
8. The Day The Light Went Out (
3:14) (great outtake)
9.
Vancouver (3:03) (good outtake)
10. Pigeons (
3:13) (from the Spot the Pigeon EP, with Hackett!)
11. It's Yourself (
5:25) (TRICK OF THE TAIL OUTTAKE!)

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 09:00

"Duke" could have been one of the greatest Genesis album if there weren't songs like "heathaze" or "please don't ask", "alone tonight", and the stupid arrangements on "turn it on again" make it sound too poppy (it could have been a great song, the live version in "three side live" is better).

Half of the album is very good : "behind the lines", "duchess", "man of our times", "cul de sac" , and the end of course "duke's travels/duke's end".

It could have been a concept album with a good story. But the aim of the group at that time was to begin to sell out ! And it got worse after that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 08:43

Kirklott ...are you still there? You've gone very quiet all of a sudden ...

Having second thoughts about Duke yet? 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 08:29
I liked Duke, in fact, I even liked Invisible Touch.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 08:25
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I like the cover, its quirkey and cute!

Please, my dear Snow Dog, your posts to date have always been intelligent and eloquent, the dignified work of an elegant Old World gentleman from a lineage of centuries of impeccable breeding.

If I may, I implore you to employ the edit mode on the above quote to safeguard your honor, respect and dignity.

With sincere regards,

kirklott

Wot?  Are there 2 Snow Dogs on this site then?!

I think he describes me perfectly!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 08:23
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Just for you Kirklott:

I'm going to hide away now...

Now I see it again Captain Kirklott I would say wow, it is a great cover!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 07:48
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Well, I love Duke. Fantastic album. Very complex rhythm patterns on the Duke suite, lots of great compositions. Lots of emotional highs. Great percussion on Duchess. Nothing wrong with it. Absolutely nothing.

yay!!! Big slap on the back for Moogie!!!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 07:43

Well, I love Duke. Fantastic album. Very complex rhythm patterns on the Duke suite, lots of great compositions. Lots of emotional highs. Great percussion on Duchess. Nothing wrong with it. Absolutely nothing.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 06:19
Originally posted by dalt99 dalt99 wrote:

Wow.

Well, I have never bought Duke and have yet to hear it. I was surely not going to buy it after Kirklott's rantings but with all the good reviews (a few anyway) I just may have to buy it now!

Uh...thanks...Kirklott...?

Its worth hearing... like most on this thread, I think the 'Bookend' pieces are very good.. and you can presently buy it on Amazon , new, for only £4.40! Wow!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 06:15
Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I like the cover, its quirkey and cute!

Please, my dear Snow Dog, your posts to date have always been intelligent and eloquent, the dignified work of an elegant Old World gentleman from a lineage of centuries of impeccable breeding.

If I may, I implore you to employ the edit mode on the above quote to safeguard your honor, respect and dignity.

With sincere regards,

kirklott

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