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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2024 at 03:35
^ Science by definition cannot be incomplete, since it includes all approaches which reliably describe the world we live in. You reject science and insist not only that there is more, but that you know more than science can know.

Put in another way: You insist that there is more than pure rationality. Which is irrational by definition. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2024 at 13:32
^ I do not reject science, and I surely do not know that there is more, or know more than science can know, I merely know I don't know.   In other words science is only complete in a theoretic way, by which I mean the very statement "science can know" suggests it does not yet know all things about all things.   Science can know but does not always know.

Y'know?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2024 at 15:07
^ My point is that by definition science is the only way to KNOW anything with a reasonable degree of certainty.
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Personally, I believe in the existence and continuance of time. In that regard, I am reminded of a rejection letter by publisher Arthur C. Fifield after having to drudge through one of Gertrude Stein's Dada stream-of-consciousness manuscripts. Fifield most certainly captures the torturous minutes and seconds that each of us has, at times, experienced on our personal planes of existence:

Dear Madam, 
I am only one, only one, only one. Only one being, one at the same time. Not two, not three, only one. Only one life to live, only sixty minutes in one hour. Only one pair of eyes. Only one brain. Only one being. Being only one, having only one pair of eyes, having only one time, having only one life, I cannot read your M.S. three or four times. Not even one time. Only one look, only one look is enough. Hardly one copy would sell here. Hardly one. Hardly one. Many thanks. I am returning the M.S. by registered post. Only one M.S. by one post.
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to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2024 at 21:25
^ That's funny.   'Stream of consciousness' can be a legitimate form of expression but that response is classic.
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Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Scalar waves have been scientifically proven, but they are not recognised by the official scientific community
 
That's a contradiction. If scalar waves have been scientifically proven, they would be accepted by the scientific community. Why wouldn't they be accepted? siLLy puPPy's answer to this question is to invoke a conspiracy theory, what's your answer?
 
 
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

that is why science is not progressing as it should
 
In what way is science not progressing as it should?
 
 
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

According to Nikola Tesla himself
 
Nikola Tesla is not a supreme being, so stop deifying him. Although he did give the world alternating current, he eventually became what many consider to be a crackpot.
 
 
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

The first difference is that teslion waves are not electromagnetic
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it is a spiralling non-Hertzian electromagnetic wave
 
Another contradiction. Is it electromagnetic or not electromagnetic?
 
 
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Scalar waves have their own quantum carrier and are a dimensionally richer form of energy vibration.
 
Then why are they called "scalar" waves? Do you know what a scalar quantity is in physics?
 
 
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

The waves used by Tesla in his energy transmission system, in contrast to the others mentioned, intensify with distance.
 
Sounds dangerous. Why are we not blasted by them from sources across the cosmos?
 
 
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

it is a spiralling non-Hertzian electromagnetic wave travelling through the vacuum at super-luminal speed, a billion times faster than light
 
How conveniently magical. What determines their speed?
 
 
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

are not stopped or deflected by metal, leather, rubber, or any other material; they pass through all materials.
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So also in humans, they enable rapid regeneration of the body, especially after physical injuries.
 
If they aren't stopped by anything, how do they interact with human tissue?
 
 
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

in humans, they enable rapid regeneration of the body, especially after physical injuries
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their use in energy therapies, initiate the development of all other human levels, both physical, mental, and emotional. They initiate the reconstruction of human DNA chains
 
How conveniently magical. It sounds like a dermal regenerator beam from Star Trek.
 
 
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

bring them into harmony with the universe
 
Really?!! Bring them into harmony with the universe?!! What sort of new-age nonsense is this?
 
 
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

scalar waves... quantum carrier... energy vibration... spiralling non-Hertzian electromagnetic wave... torsion wave... spiral wake
 
Wow, look at all those sciencey sounding terms. It's a characteristic of pseudoscience to sound scientific by the use of terms that are intended to persuade non-experts but are either misused or meaningless, indicating a lack of knowledge of the actual science.
 

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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Scalar waves have been scientifically proven, but they are not recognised by the official scientific community
 
That's a contradiction. If scalar waves have been scientifically proven, they would be accepted by the scientific community. Why wouldn't they be accepted? siLLy puPPy's answer to this question is to invoke a conspiracy theory, what's your answer?
In fact, not all official scientific discourse globally dismisses the existence of these waves. In Russian scientific circles, for instance, the existence of Tesla waves as well as ether is acknowledged. During the 1960s, the Russian scientist Nikolai Kozyrev proclaimed the existence of torsional (spiral) waves. These waves and Nikola Tesla's scalar waves are effectively synonyms for precisely the same phenomena—rays that transmit substantial energy. In Russian science, these rays are also known as 'Tesla's death rays.' Kozyrev made special mirrors based on these waves.



At the close of the 19th century, the notion of an ether was posited. However, following certain scientific measurements purportedly conducted in the United States, this concept was ultimately discarded, a stance that Nikola Tesla never relinquished. He maintained the belief that the cosmos is permeated by ether, regarded as an ideal fluid—a substance that is not materially tangible but solely conveys energy and possesses an extraordinarily vast amount of energy. If we were to calculate this energy on the basis of Einstein's theory E=mc˛, which is really correct, the entire matter of the cosmos, we would get enormous values that our brain cannot comprehend. This is so much energy that our civilisation could use it indefinitely, as long as it exists. Tesla demonstrated this energy through his resonator.
In 1892, Nikola Tesla constructed a resonator through which he passed electric current, alternating, of the same intensity but in the opposite direction. He was given self-cancelling electromagnetic fields. And the great energy that was invested in that process turned into a completely new type of energy. It actually produced a completely new type of electromagnetic wave.
Tesla produced in the laboratory electromagnetic longitudinal waves that vibrate in the direction of propagation and that do not lose their power no matter how long or how far they are transmitted. Since these are scalar waves, Tesla stated that with that resonator he in fact provided the time-space energy characteristic of the resonator, so the wave went from the existing four-dimensional space to the fifth dimension. And that's why that wave carries enormous energy. Longitudinal wave energy constantly exists in the ether. Tesla called these waves spiral because they leave a spiral trail.
Regrettably, in the U.S., the notion of free energy was rather rudely dismissed. Back in 1901, our dear friend Tesla proclaimed the tantalising possibility of harnessing infinite energy, declaring, "Humanity must get its act together and tap into the flywheel of nature to achieve a swift leap forward in civilisation, whereupon the energy conundrum will be neatly sorted." Had Tesla's vision been brought to fruition, one might imagine a world where everyone lived in comfort and where, dare I say it, huge masses of people enjoyed a rather plush existence. It was a truly astonishing scientific discovery. In addition to being inexhaustible and free, it was absolutely clean energy and meant to put an end to the pollution of nature.
Indeed, Tesla's generator was quite the revelation, particularly for those in the fossil fuel business. When Tesla presented his patents to Morgan, the response was rather curt: "Goodbye, Mr. Tesla." Not long after, the generator met an untimely end, followed by the demolition of Tesla’s grand tower and a rather unfortunate fire at his laboratory. His project promised to be a beacon of hope for humanity, yet the big corporations were less than impressed; they saw not salvation but a threat to their profits. Thus, it’s not some fanciful conspiracy theory—this is simply a matter of historical record.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2024 at 02:43
^there is no “Russian science”. There is only science and non-science.

We live in interesting times - it has never been easier for snake oil salesmen to sell their junk to gullible people.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

there is no “Russian science”. There is only science and non-science.
 
This remains me of an article I read about how to tell if you are reading woo. One way is if it mentions "western medicine". There is no such thing as western medicine. There is either medicine or there is woo.
 

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On this way we'll probably end discussing about omeopathy or Bach's flowers. 
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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

There are many things in life that are real and yet we have no idea how they work. Acupuncture is one. Love is one. Why do i like Thai food? Is there a scientific equation for that? If not does that mean it's not real?



- Placebo effect




Proven to be a very valuable cure for many maladies and diseases... The placebo effect has worked wonders.
I can confirm! I overcame a very serious sickness as a little kid because of placebo (homeopathy)! xD At the time, the 6-7 year old me didn't know what homeopathy was. xD
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2024 at 00:20
^ Sure! Both placebo and nocebo effects can be quite powerful. And also dangerous, since they can reinforce belief in the efficacy of the false remedy (placebo/homeopathy) or in the harmfulness of benign/neutral phenomena (nocebo, e.g. EMF).


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The reason why omeopathy works is that bacteria commit suicide because of boredom
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