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I'd volunteer for admin if I thought I would not at any moment kick someone squarely in the gonads for being stupid.   Not necessarily a great approach.

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^ The more hopefully the merrier, Ian. I do appreciate all the hard work you have been doing and was very enthusiastic about joining us an Admin. It is good to have different perspective and bring different ideas to the table. It would be good to have more Admin still, partially to lighten the load on us, to get different perspective and it just can make the whole thing more fun. When there were lots of admin the Admin zone looked like party central, now the tumbleweeds are floating though it. More can help to inspire more and to offer support and advice.

Anyway, I am done with this topic. I'll leave you to keep an eye on it if willing, and of course if you see abuse, or it gets political, it should be closed. I'm happiest when I am NOT moderating so very happy to leave it to others when they feel it is necessary or asked of them to step in. Lots of ways to moderate and de-escalate perceived tensions. Shifting focus, cracking jokes, love-bombing lol, whatever... Ideally, I feel, but I have failed at this too many times, it should be done with some tact, discretion, diplomacy and ideally some compassion and kindness (may not be warranted or advisable). Of course one does not wish to seem officious or too domineering (or like THE authority), and a little warmth and appreciation goes a long way, but sometime one just has to be formal and lay down the rules.

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I'll leave you guys to it.
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Tony was a tough man.   Old school serious sh*t.   The kind of guy that would see someone pushing aside an elderly person on the street and suggest they might get their nose broken.   My kinda dude.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2024 at 19:22
^ We could have been doing it together at the same time. Somehow I think we might have had too much fun with it. Seriously, I would have loved to do that stuff with you here, and along with Tony R, fantastic. I miss him. I sometimes gave him a bit of a hard time, regret that, but I always really respected and liked him. Lots of fun, and actually a very nice guy. You guys and others made this forum special to me, and I remain in that debt. I do miss the old days.... Things could get super heated and also be super fun at the same time.

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^ Oh hell yeah, that's why I flatly turned down Tony's invitation to be an admin years ago, and/or just to moderate.
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^ I'm a moderator too, of course, and have been for many years here, so was just a bit more concerned. It's good to have different styles and personalities, that bring some balance and checks. Shame more people don't wish to join as mods (tried to recruit and pass the mantle so to speak), but it can be super unpleasant and stressful, at least for me.
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^ Because the moratorium on specifically political topics has held... so far.

And Ian does a great job, I like that admins can police other admins.   Checks & balances.

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I think the conversation was cool, likewise Ian is just doing his job 'moderating' as they say.    
Anyway, I go way back, I can remember when 'heated' on this site was much worse. Its a pretty mellow site these days.
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^^ Is it heated? I had not even noticed (not with me at all). Some humour, warmth, amiability and positivity can go a long way to de-escalate situations I think if you think there is one. But different people have different style of moderation and mediation (I became a mod here in like 2008 or 2009 and still not very good at it). My way often just leads to tears, unfortunately, despite when I have good intentions. I don't believe in being heavy-handed unless deemed necessary or it's too much effort not to (the latter often being the case). I do believe that as much as possible the forum should be left to moderate itself. This is not kindergarten.

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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Nope - but its getting rather heated.
Oh please, if this is heated then no discussion of diverse interest or debate of any probative value may be tolerated.   I do hope that is not the case.

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Nope - but its getting rather heated.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Am I going to have to close this thread too?


Have I done something wrong, Ian? Concerned because I have been the last to comment, we are a team, and you phrased at as I rather than we.

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Am I going to have to close this thread too?
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Yes, but I was thinking of confirmation bias where people who think they are special, and know the truth that others don't (and that TPTB are trying to hide it from you) often doesn't casts their nets wide enough (dismiss some things immediately as propaganda that they should not) and end up researching from the kinds of sources that support their dubious views and think that other sources are compromised somehow. I am for research, but some researchers take a better approach than others. Reevaluation is indeed very important.
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^ Which is why it's so important to keep investigating not just new information but especially what you already have looked at.   Over and over and over and over and over and over again.   Further, in that time one's perspective, opinions, and character change.   It may not necessarily make you more informed, but it certainly makes you more intelligent and more exposed.

Reevaluation is one of the most under-recognized avenues and underutilized tools.   Maybe the most, and that only becomes clear once you star doing it.   It is annoying and painful, but those who have not taken it upon themselves to do so are the ones who I trust the least and whose opinions I value the least.


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^ I think it depends on the "researcher". For some it helps, for others it just reinforces questionable beliefs and can led to more many questionable beliefs. I would think that the "tinfoil hat", conspiracy-minded type of researcher commonly is less likely to be doing good research than others. Some people latch on a to cobwebberry of ideas that reinforce their own biases. I do very much doubt that, say, Silly Puppy's years and years of research has given him the truth as much as he seems to believe on a host of issues.

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^ I profoundly disagree.   It gives one a true overview of where and what the crackpottery is, what to avoid, and give you finer skills in researching and discernment.   I firmly recommend that everyone re-read and re-research as much as possible.   It is more than important, it is crucial to understand what you already believe you understand.   And frankly the information that is not retained when reading/watching content is astounding.   

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Often people who research and research and research just ending up going deeper and deeper down rabbitholes only paying "serious" attention to that which already confirms their biases. Years and years of research is not always helpful in getting to the truth (not all research has the same merit) and can lead to a bunch of other questionable beliefs, pseudo-scientific views and general crackpottery.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ You can post all those trash you want from the
internet but that doesn't take away personal experience (i have plenty
of it). Have you never been to a Traditional Chinese medicine doctor?
Have you never received acupuncture?

I have and it did indeed work, which is another way of saying I felt better the next day and have no real proof it was the acupuncture.   This specialist also applied glass suction bowls to my back.   

Was it the bowls?   Was it the needles?   Was it the herbs he gave me which I took for several weeks that were unrelated to my having the flu?   Was it his advice that I never eat anything raw or uncooked which is questionable considering raw fruits & vegetables are an important part of a person's diet?   Or maybe his insistence I not eat sweets only for me to notice a quart of ice cream in his freezer?   Hard to say.


Originally posted by SillyPuppy SillyPuppy wrote:

Unless you have researched this
for at least a decade, you're not even remotely qualified to have a
discussion really. No offense.

Yeah I don't know... here on the forums we all discuss/debate things we haven't necessarily (or at all) researched for a decade.   I've been looking into UFOs for about 45 years and am only reasonably informed.   On the other hand I've been thoroughly researching the JFK assassination for about 25 years and consider myself a foremost expert in the field, far more knowledgeable than most "experts" whose books I've read, films I've seen, or see & hear on social media.   Most of them are under-qualified buffoons who make so many errors and bad calls it is painfully embarrassing to someone with even ten years of solid research.

Which is to say it seems that proper, serious, extended and relentless work of re-reading, re-watching, re-thinking, and over-researching even after you've come to an 'ultimate conclusion' rather than chronologic time is what matters the most.




Edited by Atavachron - November 21 2024 at 17:48
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