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    Posted: October 28 2024 at 06:59

If it should be of interest, The Six Wives is positioned at #161 on RYM's current Progressive Rock chart for the 1970s (with popularity weighting on 4), which is definitely underrated, as I see it.

( https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/1970s/g:progressive%2drock/pop:4/5/ )





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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Not everyone shares this sentiment. I, for one, have always preferred "No Earthly Connection" to "The Six Wives of Henry VIII."

Well, I more or less liked No Earthly Connection upon its release, got it again in my collection in the mid-'90s, and it has grown on me over the years, but I won't say that it's in general considered as one of the greatest Prog classics.
Isn't "No Earthly Connection" an album of crackers? You may look for such cute proggy odds in vain on Wakeman's other solo records. Atmospheric 'tron, flute interludes, acoustic guitar, choir sounds, jazz-rockesque moments, classical-like brass sections, and even trippy-like sound segments. The melodies themselves are also quite appealing. 
An accusation of being vulgar in music has been, I imagine, heard at times. However, who cares? The album is so lush that any complaint would seem irrelevant.
Personally, I am inclined to consider "No Earthly Connection" to be nothing less a classic album than "The Six Wives..." Furthermore, I believe that "No Earthly..." is his best concept album. Compared to the funky "No Earthly...," "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" seems to be a one-dimensional album, and not just because of the "No Earthly Connection" original sleeve design.

''One-dimensional'' is stretching an argument to a breaking point. The music takes us to all sorts of places. Always loved the latin rhythms of Ann Of Cleeves especially but there also the beautiful melodies apparent on Catherine Of Aragon, Catherine Howard and Anne Boleyn. Then we have the full frontal organ bombast of Cartherine Parr and the pipe organ majesty of Jane Seymour. 


''Atmospheric 'tron, flute interludes, acoustic guitar, choir sounds, jazz-rockesque moments, classical-like brass sections, and even trippy-like sound segments. The melodies themselves are also quite appealing.''
You are not hearing any of this on Six Wives?!


In terms of music, "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" could just as easily have been dubbed "The Six Lakes," "The Six Isles," or "The Six Poplar Trees," and frankly, it would make no difference whatsoever. Take Anne of Cleves, for instance; that track has a rather funky vibe, yet history paints King Henry's fourth wife as a rather melancholic figure. 
Do any of these compositions truly capture the shambles and great suffering of that historical epoch? In my humble opinion, they do not. There's a distinct lack of musical themes. The basis of the music is rather straightforward chord progressions underpinning repetitive groovy jams, peppered with an abundance of moments steeped in self-indulgent noodling and a smattering of ostentatious bravado, all derived from one or two motifs filched from classical compositions—certain pieces shamelessly prancing about.
"The Six Wives of Henry VIII" trundles along without leaving much of a mark on my grey matter—unlike the concept album that graced us three years later, namely "No Earthly Connection," where everything I mentioned in the third sentence of my previous post finds its rightful place and significance in the album's musical themes.
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Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Not everyone shares this sentiment. I, for one, have always preferred "No Earthly Connection" to "The Six Wives of Henry VIII."

Well, I more or less liked No Earthly Connection upon its release, got it again in my collection in the mid-'90s, and it has grown on me over the years, but I won't say that it's in general considered as one of the greatest Prog classics.
Isn't "No Earthly Connection" an album of crackers? You may look for such cute proggy odds in vain on Wakeman's other solo records. Atmospheric 'tron, flute interludes, acoustic guitar, choir sounds, jazz-rockesque moments, classical-like brass sections, and even trippy-like sound segments. The melodies themselves are also quite appealing. 
An accusation of being vulgar in music has been, I imagine, heard at times. However, who cares? The album is so lush that any complaint would seem irrelevant.
Personally, I am inclined to consider "No Earthly Connection" to be nothing less a classic album than "The Six Wives..." Furthermore, I believe that "No Earthly..." is his best concept album. Compared to the funky "No Earthly...," "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" seems to be a one-dimensional album, and not just because of the "No Earthly Connection" original sleeve design.

''One-dimensional'' is stretching an argument to a breaking point. The music takes us to all sorts of places. Always loved the latin rhythms of Ann Of Cleeves especially but there also the beautiful melodies apparent on Catherine Of Aragon, Catherine Howard and Anne Boleyn. Then we have the full frontal organ bombast of Cartherine Parr and the pipe organ majesty of Jane Seymour. 


''Atmospheric 'tron, flute interludes, acoustic guitar, choir sounds, jazz-rockesque moments, classical-like brass sections, and even trippy-like sound segments. The melodies themselves are also quite appealing.''
You are not hearing any of this on Six Wives?!
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Not everyone shares this sentiment. I, for one, have always preferred "No Earthly Connection" to "The Six Wives of Henry VIII."

Well, I more or less liked No Earthly Connection upon its release, got it again in my collection in the mid-'90s, and it has grown on me over the years, but I won't say that it's in general considered as one of the greatest Prog classics.
Isn't "No Earthly Connection" an album of crackers? You may look for such cute proggy odds in vain on Wakeman's other solo records. Atmospheric 'tron, flute interludes, acoustic guitar, choir sounds, jazz-rockesque moments, classical-like brass sections, and even trippy-like sound segments. The melodies themselves are also quite appealing. 
An accusation of being vulgar in music has been, I imagine, heard at times. However, who cares? The album is so lush that any complaint would seem irrelevant.
Personally, I am inclined to consider "No Earthly Connection" to be nothing less a classic album than "The Six Wives..." Furthermore, I believe that "No Earthly..." is his best concept album. Compared to the funky "No Earthly...," "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" seems to be a one-dimensional album, and not just because of the "No Earthly Connection" original sleeve design.
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Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Not everyone shares this sentiment. I, for one, have always preferred "No Earthly Connection" to "The Six Wives of Henry VIII."

Well, I more or less liked No Earthly Connection upon its release, got it again in my collection in the mid-'90s, and it has grown on me over the years, but I won't say that it's in general considered as one of the greatest Prog classics.


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Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Back in the day when Six Wives was first released it seemed almost as good as anything that Yes was churning out in the first half of the 70's - and IMO second only to CTTE.
"The Six Wives of Henry VIII" was released in January 1973, and that was year that later saw the releases of many iconic albums, including "Tales from Topographic Oceans" (December 1973); I, for one, have always preferred the latter.
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Back in the day when Six Wives was first released it seemed almost as good as anything that Yes was churning out in the first half of the 70's - and IMO second only to CTTE.
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Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

One of the albums outside the Top 100 that should be in is Rick Wakeman's Six Wives Of Henry VIII. Not even in the Top 250 Shocked Each composition is a masterpiece in its own right and he curated some of the greatest musicians of the time for it. 


I surely love it and have done it since its release. Thumbs Up



A travesty indeed - it has also been one of my all time favourite albums since its release.
Not everyone shares this sentiment. I, for one, have always preferred "No Earthly Connection" to "The Six Wives of Henry VIII."
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

One of the albums outside the Top 100 that should be in is Rick Wakeman's Six Wives Of Henry VIII. Not even in the Top 250 Shocked Each composition is a masterpiece in its own right and he curated some of the greatest musicians of the time for it. 


I surely love it and have done it since its release. Thumbs Up



A travesty indeed - it has also been one of my all time favourite albums since its release.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

One of the albums outside the Top 100 that should be in is Rick Wakeman's Six Wives Of Henry VIII. Not even in the Top 250 Shocked Each composition is a masterpiece in its own right and he curated some of the greatest musicians of the time for it. 

I surely love it and have done it since its release. Thumbs Up


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

^^ similar to me, only I'm not all that adventurous and am happy with what I like... I really don't suffer from 'FOMO' syndrome.. Smile

I can tell that my biggest problem today is to find some new-to-me albums which I can like as much as very most of those I've got in my collection.
Actually, it's most fruitile for me to search amongst classics.
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Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Tubular Bells actually clocks in at #209 - a complete travesty - IMO it deserves to be somewhere in the top 25.

[Just go to the top 100 list and change the maximum results to 250.]

Not really. Side One is tremendous and is the meat of the album. Side Two is a notch down for me. I havent read the reviews but I'm guessing a few have said that. Ommadawn is his greatest album and sits proudly at 56.

One of the albums outside the Top 100 that should be in is Rick Wakeman's Six Wives Of Henry VIII. Not even in the Top 250 Shocked Each composition is a masterpiece in its own right and he curated some of the greatest musicians of the time for it. Just look at this.
With:
- Mike Egan / guitar (1,2,5,6)
- Steve Howe / guitar (1)
- Dave Lambert / guitar (3)
- David Cousins / electric banjo (3)
- Chris Squire / bass (1)
- Dave Winter / bass (2,6)
- Chas Cronk / bass (3)
- Les Hurdle / bass (1,5)
- Bill Bruford / drums (1,5)
- Alan White / drums (2,4,6)
- Barry de Souza / drums (3)
- Ray Cooper / percussion (1,5)
- Frank Ricotti / percussion (2,3,6)
- Judy Powell / chorus (1)
- Barry St.John / chorus (1)
- Liza Strike / chorus (1,5)
- Laura Lee / chorus (5)
- Sylvia McNeill / chorus (5)
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^^  Eskaton's 4 Visions is also to be found on my Top 100-160 all-time as rated on RYM and PA list, made  in 2019 too, at #125; while when talking about  Top 100 all-time as rated on RYM and PA , it includes these of my Prog classics which I haven't mentioned earlier:

Steve Hackett  (UK) :   Voyage Of The Acolyte  (1975)   12,0 (3.100 r.)
Museo Rosenbach  (I) :   Zarathustra  (1973)   12,1 (2.100 r.)
Focus  (NL) :   Hamburger Concerto  (1974)   12,0 (2.100 r.)
Khan  (UK) :   Space Shanty  (1972)   12,0 (2.000 r.)
Bacamarte  (Bra) :   Depois Do Fim  (1983)   12,1 (1.600 r.)
Le Orme  (I) :   Felona E Sorona  (1973)   11,9 (2.200 r.)
Eloy  (D) :   Ocean  (1977)   11,7 (2.500 r.)
T2  (UK) :   It’ll All Work out in Boomland  (1970)   11,7 (2.200 r.)
Il Balletto di Bronzo  (I) :   Ys  (1972)   11,7 (1.800 r.)
Rick Wakeman  (UK) :   The Six Wives Of Henry VIII  (1973)   11,4 (2.200 r.)


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Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's classic. And otherwise, some unknown acts that receive few ratings are classics for me.
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Btw, when talking about Eskaton's 4 Visions and even it has only got a rather small number of ratings on PA, it is of course a lot appreciated (Zeuhl) classic today, and I've got it in my collection too.
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For those interested in the highest rated prog music albums/artists and with much weight on popularity (numbers of ratings), I still think that it's a god idea to have a look at my Top 100 all-time as rated on RYM and PA , made in 2019. BUT, since then, large/very large numbers of ratings have been made on RYM for the majority or maybe very most of the artists, and some very large numbers of ratings for some new/other artists, which altogether can mean quite a lot of changes compared to my list. Also or on the other hand, sometimes it's a good question how to evaluate and understand these new ratings, as they can be very RYM-locally conditioned.




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Here are five modern, soon to be classics.

Spock's Beard - V
Echolyn - The End Is Beautiful
Bubblemath - Edit Peptide
The Aristocrats - Duck
Wippy Bonstack - 22




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Tubular Bells actually clocks in at #209 - a complete travesty - IMO it deserves to be somewhere in the top 25.

[Just go to the top 100 list and change the maximum results to 250.]

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I'm really surprised Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells isn't in PA's Top 100 chart. Shocked

Yes, that's really suprising, and so can be said about maybe not so few other albums, but on the other hand, there're Art Zoyd's Häxan, Gorguts' Obscura, Escaton's 4 Visions and Cardiacs' On Land and in the Sea. Wink
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^ Yes, it should've been a list of 34 albums instead of 32, but I left out Van der Graaf Generator's The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other (mainly because it's not in PA's Top 100, surprisingly) and Pink Floyd's Animals which I gave away to a charity shop. Cry

I'm really surprised Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells isn't in PA's Top 100 chart. Shocked


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