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I could have added.

Allan Holdsworth - I.O.U.
Adrian Belew - Lone Rhino
Mike Keneally - Hat
Wippy Bonstack - Dataland
The Aristocrats - s/t
Thank You Scientist - Maps of Non-Existent Places
Bubblemath - Such Fine Particles of the Universe
Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill
Animals As Leaders - s/t
Brand X - Unorthodox Behaviour
Pat Metheny Group - s/t
Marco Minnemann - The Green Mindbomb
Riverside - Out Of Myself
Frost* - Milliontown
U.K. - s/t

Edited by Grumpyprogfan - August 18 2024 at 06:07

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Posted: August 18 2024 at 06:16

Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Allan Holdsworth - I.O.U.
Thank You Scientist - Maps of Non-Existent Places
Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill
Animals As Leaders - s/t
Brand X - Unorthodox Behaviour
Riverside - Out Of Myself
Frost* - Milliontown
U.K. - s/t

These are really good. Clap

Edited by Cristi - August 18 2024 at 06:16

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Posted: August 18 2024 at 09:50

Question: Which was the Genesis debut?

"From Genesis to Revelation" or "Trespass"? The latter is surely the stronger LP!

Also, many of these bands had "proto-debut" LPs.

For example, "The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, Giles & Fripp" clearly led into ITCOTCK!

Great discussion everyone!! Paul, thanks for the amazing list! Clap

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Posted: August 18 2024 at 10:22

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OP here - Thanks, everyone, this is great!! Clap

A few of my personal favorites include:

Captain Beyond, s/t

Uriah Heep, "Very Eavy....Very 'Umble" (US release had the amazing song "Bird of Prey")

Styx, s/t

Starcastle, s/t

Flash, s/t

Having been around a number of bands that were recording their debut LP, I know that the energy runs very high in the studio!!

I was going to mention Captain Beyond but wasn't sure if it was prog enough. Great album though.

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Posted: August 18 2024 at 10:25

^^For me it's very simple. The debut is the first album released by the specific artist or band. The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, Giles & Fripp isn't the band King Crimson, but From Genesis to Revelation is released by Genesis - the band. That's why to me In the Court of the Crimson King is the former bands debut - and Trespass is the latter band's second album.

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Posted: August 18 2024 at 10:27

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Family - Music In a Doll's House

Caravan - Caravan

Fantasy - Paint a Picture

Jon Anderson - Olias of Sunhillow

Steve Hillage - Fish Rising

Goblin - Profondo Rosso (Colonna Sonora Originale Del Film)

Lenny White - Venusian Summer

Steve Hackett - Voyage of the Acolyte

Utopia - Todd Rundgren's Utopia

Tako - Tako

Thanks for reminding me that it's Music In A Doll's House and not From. I'll have to go fix that. Wink

I know of the others on your list but haven't heard them so I'll have to check them out. The Jon Anderson and Steve Hackett are both great though and worthy of inclusion for sure.

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Posted: August 18 2024 at 10:39

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^^For me it's very simple. The debut is the first album released by the specific artist or band. The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, Giles & Fripp isn't the band King Crimson, but From Genesis to Revelation is released by Genesis - the band. That's why to me In the Court of the Crimson King is the former bands debut - and Trespass is the latter band's second album.

Yes and I can understand why people say DOFP is the first Moody Blues album (even the band themselves considered it to be) but really it isn't because they had some of the same members plus the name is the same. Otherwise the first Renaissance album isn't Renaissance and also you could say Genesis didn't start until Trespass or Nursery Cryme and Yes didn't start until the Yes album but then it starts to get a bit silly.

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Posted: August 18 2024 at 10:40

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For me it's very simple. The debut is the first album released by the specific artist or band.

Not necessarily. If the first album is an EP, I wouldn't call it the debut. Or if the first album was released by the record company without permission from the artist, and said artist received no compensation from that release, for example, Allan Holdsworth's "Velvet Darkness" then it is not their debut.

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Posted: August 18 2024 at 13:53

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Saperlipopette! wrote:

For me it's very simple. The debut is the first album released by the specific artist or band.

It's still relatively simple to me - an EP is an EP, just like a Single is a Single release and can never be an album.

-An album released by the record company without permission from the artist is such a rare exception from "my rule", that is doesn't have an impact on how I think. But I agree that it doesn't count, as it's not the artists own album creation.

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Posted: August 18 2024 at 14:00

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I suppose I can understand it, but it's not correct and I don't agree. And I find it pointless. Some bands deliver a classic debut album - others need a few attemnts to get it right.

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Posted: August 18 2024 at 14:03

Yep in my book an E.P. (occasionally known as a maxi-single) contains 3-6 tracks and plays for around 10-20 minutes (i.e longer than the traditional 7" single). An album usually clocks in at 30+ minutes... anything in between can probably be described as a mini-album.

Although it's not hard and fast, and indeed gets more intriguing them more you delve into it.

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Posted: August 18 2024 at 14:08

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Question: Which was the Genesis debut?

"From Genesis to Revelation" or "Trespass"? The latter is surely the stronger LP!

Also, many of these bands had "proto-debut" LPs.

For example, "The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, Giles & Fripp" clearly led into ITCOTCK!

Great discussion everyone!! Paul, thanks for the amazing list! Clap

As far as a "proto-debut" LP, I would include Jethro Tull's This Was from 1968. It may have been the first album under that band name, but it was more of a collaboration in blues-rock and jazz with Mick Abrahams and Ian Anderson sharing the spotlight. It wasn't until 1969's Stand Up that we get the truer prog direction of the band.

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