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    Posted: July 29 2024 at 05:24

Besides the overtly political Prog, and according to Edward Macan's Rocking the Classics (1997, p. 69, 73), symbols drawn from mythology, fantasy and science fiction literature, as well as a host of sacred texts from the past have been used in Progressive Rock lyrics as symbols of resistance and protest in two ways:
1. to symbolize an idealized society toward which we might strive, or
2. to symbolize a nightmarish technocracy which the hippies believed is on the verge of overwhelming us. 

In this thread, I'd like us to put focus on the second way, and a couple of examples are Emerson, Lake & Palmer's Karn Evil 9 suite, with its story of a computer becoming a tyrannical overlord, and the Tarkus suite, which can be interpreted too as technology running amok and out of the control of its creators, visiting misery upon all it touches.

What else can we find of Prog symbolizing some kind of nightmarish technocracy?


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The first group that came to my mind was Ayreon. In particular some of the songs off of Actual Fantasy, and the albums 01011001 and The Source.
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John Mitchell's "Lonely Robot" comes to mind.
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2112 is the first one I can think of.
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Simon Says - Tardigrade (the whole album)
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

John Mitchell's "Lonely Robot" comes to mind.

My first thought also...
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

2112 is the first one I can think of.

I think, 2112 is more about authoritarianism than technocracy, or how do you see it?
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Voivod - Nothingface (1989)

This Prog Metal album may not be that much about technocracy, but I think it can at least be said to be quite a lot about nightmarish industrialism. The Canadian Voivod was born in Jonquiére, a town with pulp, paper and aluminium factories churned unceasingly, spewing smoke and generating a perpetual mechanical din. The drummer, Michel Langevin, could have nightmares because of the sounds from these factories, and all that can be heard in the album's sound and seen in the coverart and lyrics.

                           


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

2112 is the first one I can think of.

I think, 2112 is more about authoritarianism than technocracy, or how do you see it?

You may be right, but the line "Our great computers fill these hallowed halls" slipped through my mind.
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

2112 is the first one I can think of.

I think, 2112 is more about authoritarianism than technocracy, or how do you see it?

You may be right, but the line "Our great computers fill these hallowed halls" slipped through my mind.

The inner gatefold with the electronic printed circuit board below the Red Star man would indicate that indeed, technology has become the main controlling tool for that authoritarianism. 
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Everything by Magma (except for Merci)

Can you explain a bit about how you see it?
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It's hard to tell but it seems like Phideaux' "Doomsday Afternoon" might qualify
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Originally posted by martinprog77 martinprog77 wrote:

 ZERO HOUR  'The Towers of Avarice ''

I think there's a lot of Prog Metal from that era which would fir the description well, including Anubis Gate, Beyond Twilight, Communic, Andromeda, Dominici, which dealt with a future dystopia in one form or another?
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Eloy - "The Light from Deep Darkness",  Floating (1974)

This epic may symbolize some nightmarish technocracy too, as it looks to be apocalyptic and about some technology, probably atomar, 
which will destroy the future of the mankind by destroying the entire Earth. Pollution as a reason can maybe be a possibility too.





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King Crimson, "Epitaph" was there first. 
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King Crimson - "Epitaph"

The wall on which the prophets wrote
Is cracking at the seams
Upon the instruments of death
The sunlight brightly gleams
When every man is torn apart
With nightmares and with dreams
Will no one lay the laurel wreath
When silence drowns the screams
Confusion will be my epitaph
As I crawl a cracked and broken path
If we make it, we can all sit back and laugh
But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying
Yes, I fear tomorrow I'll be crying
Yes, I fear tomorrow I'll be crying
Between the iron gates of fate
The seeds of time were sown
And watered by the deeds of those
Who know and who are known
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^That song "Epitaph" literally helped me to direct my angst about the American environmental disaster of the late 1960s (rivers catching on fire etc.) and inspired me to pursue work in the environmental field.  Music by Yes ("Let them rape the forests" - uh, no way!) helped as well!!  

This is the result (I am co-founder):  http://www.neochloris.com


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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

^That song "Epitaph" literally helped me to direct my angst about the American environmental disaster of the late 1960s (rivers catching on fire etc.) and inspired me to pursue work in the environmental field.  Music by Yes ("Let them rape the forests" - uh, no way!) helped as well!!  

This is the result (I am co-founder):  http://www.neochloris.com

Some great lyrics!!
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