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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Yes, just like these three underrated albums for instance. Smile

4 stars 2014: Yes - Heaven & Earth - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0Tfxf8B-2QCkUQmwItn52pk5QZglz2Hj (chronically underrated at 2.30 on PA) Cry
4 stars 2021: Yes - The Quest - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lD6x-iaY3we25X25RBbX2g_ee9AmZCUlA (rated only 2.90 on PA) Ouch
5 stars 2023: Yes - Mirror to the Sky - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mdLFJt9iPnV0i5cqbPQzOA3-wD3VEgJxA (inexplicably rated only 3.42 on PA) Shocked

I had been patiently waiting for you to post some unfairly maligned Yes albums and credit where it's due, you didn't disappoint... Thumbs Up
Other than Open Your Eyes, the three YES albums with Jon Davison as lead singer seem to be the most maligned of all, so this seemed like a good place to give them some love. Smile 
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According to my tastes / evaluations; very underrated (these are true masterpieces):

1) VdGG: The Least
2) Family: Doll's House 
3) Tim Buckley: Starsailor
4) Roxy Music: I
4) Gentle Giant: I
5) Peter Hammill: Chameleon
6) R. Wyatt: Rock Bottom
7) Henry Cow: In Praise of Learning
8) Comus: First Utterance
9) Perigeo: Azimut
10)  Neu! Neu!
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1. Rick Wakeman - Six Wives Of Henry VIII (has a good rating on PA but I put it right up there with the very best prog albums and should be in the Top 20 in my estimation.
2. ELP - Brain Salad Surgery (similar comments to above although I cannot come back on their decision to include Benny The Bouncer on the album instead of When The Apple Blossom Blooms. Dumb decision. However it's only 2 minutes of nonsense that's easy to skip. As I said on the other thread, ELP albums are mostly rated about right).
3. Anathema - Weather Systems (again very similar comment. It doesn't have a bad rating by any means but I would still make it higher and put it easily in the top 50 best prog albums)
4. Genesis - And Then There Were Three ( I have news for you, Genesis as a 3 peice band did work. Great songs even if some of it is 'pop'. Deep In The Motherlode, Down and Out and Burning Rope are great prog songs but there are no bad songs imo)
5. Tangerine Dream - Le Parc (2.87 rating but easily one of my favourites by them, I believe it's a masterpiece)
6. Vangelis - Beauborg (2.64 rating is mad, is this really a 'progressive' music site??!)
7. Dream Theater - The Astonishing (yep I like it!)
8. Martin Orford - The Old Road (not a bad rating at 3.83 but I would put it over 4 easily)
9. Glass Hammer - The Inconsolable Secret (a lot of their music is underrated but this especially should be better than the 3.45)
10. Tin Spirits - Scorch (more overlooked than underrated as such. Dave Gregory side project before he became a full member of BBT. I love it personally.)
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Illusion - s/t
Illusion - Out of the Mist
Nino Ferrer - Blanat
Yoshiko Sai - Mikkou
Alquin - Marks


Edited by MortSahlFan - July 20 2024 at 17:23
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Yes

Time and a Word, Relayer, Tales, GFTO, Tormato, Big Generator (more than a little though) and Talk (maybe also their very first album just called Yes)


Genesis 

And then there were three, Trespass, A Trick of the Tail, Wind and Wuthering


ELP

The debut


Rush

Caress of Steel, Hold Your Fire, Counterparts, Signals (maybe) 


Pink Floyd

Atom Heart Mother, The Final Cut, A Momentary Lapse of Reason


Porcupine Tree

Lightbulb Sun, Stupid Dream, Signify


Gentle Giant

Self titled debut, The Missing Piece


King Crimson

In the Wake of Poseidon, Larks Tongues in Aspic, Starless and Bible Black, Three of a Perfect Pair


Camel

The Snow Goose, Dust and Dreams


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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

To keep this thread a little more focussed, I'd ask forum members to only include albums which score less than 3 stars.
It amuses me that many don't follow what is intended.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

To keep this thread a little more focussed, I'd ask forum members to only include albums which score less than 3 stars.
It amuses me that many don't follow what is intended.
Is it perhaps because the original poster in the title of this topic asks for albums that are a little underrated, hence his desire for so-low-star-rated albums runs counter to that?
For my part, I consciously ignored his unconventional requirement for two-star-rated albums and posted titles of albums that, despite being masterpieces, i.e., albums without a weak moment, didn't reach four stars, not to mention that they are referenced very infrequently or never.
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^I think both this thread and the opposite one have lost the plot a bit. There have already been many threads about albums thought of as VERY underrated/overrated on this site, but I appreciate that we're tasked with focusing on works we believe to only be a LITTLE underrated/overrated. We should try to stick to that.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

^I think both this thread and the opposite one have lost the plot a bit. There have already been many threads about albums thought of as VERY underrated/overrated on this site, but I appreciate that we're tasked with focusing on works we believe to only be a LITTLE underrated/overrated. We should try to stick to that.
I understood the intention of this original poster; however, his request that the albums we mentioned have been rated with only two stars in PA is without a doubt in direct contradiction with the request expressed in the title (a title of a thread is like a preamble to the introductory post, you'll agree) of the topic for "little underrated" albums.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

5. Tangerine Dream - Le Parc (2.87 rating but easily one of my favourites by them, I believe it's a masterpiece)


As always Rich, it's an interesting list and thanks for your insights, some of which I agree with, others not.. I'm just picking out this one because quite by sheer chance, I'm playing it at the moment.. Overall, I'd raise it to about 3.3, but when considering the 'Blue Years', I have always preferred both Green Dessert & Underwater Sunlight, placing LP on a level with Tyger in quality? 

LP in particular really sounds quite dated now, to that distinct mid 80's vibe...
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Originally posted by Mystique Mystique wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

To keep this thread a little more focussed, I'd ask forum members to only include albums which score less than 3 stars.
It amuses me that many don't follow what is intended.
Is it perhaps because the original poster in the title of this topic asks for albums that are a little underrated, hence his desire for so-low-star-rated albums runs counter to that?
For my part, I consciously ignored his unconventional requirement for two-star-rated albums and posted titles of albums that, despite being masterpieces, i.e., albums without a weak moment, didn't reach four stars, not to mention that they are referenced very infrequently or never.

Well, I guess there are two principle ways that an album can be underrated; the one I focussed on, which is that the PA album rating seems very low, while the other is that an album may have a respectable rating, but has only been rated by 40 members, where you think an album of such consequence should have 400 ratings!  Both of these are for me equally valid, which is why verslibre's comments are salient:

^Il Baricentro made two great albums, Sconcerto (1976) and Trusciant (1978) — the epitome of underrated.

In stating the above, I guess I didn't want the thread to descend into the typical 'I think ELP are unfairly maligned.. they were geniuses' conversations we go down all too often? I wish my prog knowledge was deeper and encompassed more genres, so that I was able to answer everyone in this thread... regrettably it isn't and never will be (I've spent a large portion of my past listening time on Classical) but I thought this might become a positive thread, where members could promote recordings they feel haven't had a fair press? 
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Originally posted by Mystique Mystique wrote:

I understood the intention of this original poster; however, his request that the albums we mentioned have been rated with only two stars in PA is without a doubt in direct contradiction with the request expressed in the title (a title of a thread is like a preamble to the introductory post, you'll agree) of the topic for "little underrated" albums.

and there you have it, encapsulated in this sentence, the reason why I tend to initiate so few threads on this forum; by the time we hit page 2, someone will have dissected and analysed my intentions, finding their consistency wanting... takes all the fun out of the experience quite frankly... Ouch
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Mystique Mystique wrote:

I understood the intention of this original poster; however, his request that the albums we mentioned have been rated with only two stars in PA is without a doubt in direct contradiction with the request expressed in the title (a title of a thread is like a preamble to the introductory post, you'll agree) of the topic for "little underrated" albums.

and there you have it, encapsulated in this sentence, the reason why I tend to initiate so few threads on this forum; by the time we hit page 2, someone will have dissected and analysed my intentions, finding their consistency wanting... takes all the fun out of the experience quite frankly... Ouch
You can't ask for "little underrated" albums in the thread title and then almost imperceptibly slip in the opening post that they be rated no more than two stars. A two-star album can only be vastly underrated, or at least in the vast majority of cases. For instance, many 70s bands changed their style in the early 80s, for example, from prog-rock to new wave, and then the reviewers "punished" them for this by giving them only two stars, not rating their new style as such.

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Originally posted by Mystique Mystique wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Mystique Mystique wrote:

I understood the intention of this original poster; however, his request that the albums we mentioned have been rated with only two stars in PA is without a doubt in direct contradiction with the request expressed in the title (a title of a thread is like a preamble to the introductory post, you'll agree) of the topic for "little underrated" albums.

and there you have it, encapsulated in this sentence, the reason why I tend to initiate so few threads on this forum; by the time we hit page 2, someone will have dissected and analysed my intentions, finding their consistency wanting... takes all the fun out of the experience quite frankly... Ouch
You can't ask for "little underrated" albums in the thread title and then almost imperceptibly slip in the opening post that they be rated no more than two stars. A two-star album can only be vastly underrated, or at least in the vast majority of cases. For instance, many 70s bands changed their style in the early 80s, for example, from prog-rock to new wave, and then the reviewers "punished" them for this by giving them only two stars, not rating their new style as such.
I agree with you, Mystique, but hey, don't waste your time, 'cause some people purposely make threads with contradictory requests so that they can enjoy correcting thread participants.
I'm not saying that's the case with this thread; however, I've seen it many times on other forums, as I'm a newbie on the PA forum.
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Hawkwind's albums like PXR5, Church of Hawkwind, and Road to Utopia deserve more than two stars and something, so these albums aren't little but criminally underrated, while this ridiculously set topic certainly does not deserve more than one star, as it got from me.
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I believe this thread is underrated, so I've just given it five stars. Tongue
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Miles Davis - Water Babies (3.45) =4.5.

Gorgeous early fusion album that would have been historically important had it been released when it was recorded, and not shelved for almost ten years.

The Residents actually gets much more love from non-proggers:
 
Mark of the Mole (3.06) - a 5 star classic to me, and so is:
Intermission (3.36) =5 &
Commercial Album (3.66) =5
The Tunes of Two Cities (3.25) =4.5
Whatever Happened to Vileness Fats? (2.91) =4

-and the same goes for Can:

Saw Delight (3.24) =4
Landed 3.51) =4 &
Soon Over Babaluma (3.69) =4.5

My favorite The Incredible String Band-album:
The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter (3.31) =5
is also their most popular everywhere but here.

I rate all of Tortoise albums higher than PA does, but the low score of:

Standards (3.44) =4.5 -  is the most "extreme

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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Yes, the subject probably has been covered before David, as has just about every other subject...

So, given my criteria, which of the albums cited could you make out a case for as being underrated?

Sorry for not entirely having read your OP, Jared, and thus not answered according to your 3 stars criteria. Embarrassed

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It depends on which community/echo chamber you focus on. There are some "prog" communities which despise The Flower Kings, and some that love them. xD On PA it's a 50/50 mix.
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Unfortunately, Jared, I'm also used to that some people don't respect my OPs.
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