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    Posted: July 16 2024 at 10:28
The biggest complaint with Tull's "Under Wraps" album is the drums.  Would it be a good idea for the Steven Wilson remix to include Gavin Harrison recording drums for one of the remixes? Wink
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Some things are frankly best left forgotten...
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Under Wraps does have some good songs.
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I think Under Wraps does have some good songs as well.

Under Wraps # 2 is my favourite from the album.

As a collector of these Tull  book/box sets I would definitely buy it if it had 'proper' drums. Smile


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Under Wraps has some great lyrics to it, and melodies, but it is marred too heavily by the electronica, including the drums. A serious remix with more prominent guitar, less programming, and real drums would be welcome. So, yeah, let's do it.
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I don't dislike Under Wraps, but is not certainly one of my favorites. Even Ian Anderson once said Duane Perry should record the drums for the album and then they should reissue it. I think it would benefit the music, but I don't think it's a project that will ever happen.
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They should have named it "Forgettable." And literally kept it under wraps.

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Was there a tour? Are there live versions of the songs? I expect those would have a live drummer doing a better job.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Was there a tour? Are there live versions of the songs? I expect those would have a live drummer doing a better job.

In 1984, there was an Under Wraps tour. Below are the "Under Wraps" songs played on the 1984 tour. 

Tull's set list varied throughout the tour...with songs from every album played on different nights. I don't know if Tull recorded any of the concerts.Wink

Later, That Same Evening... 38
Under Wraps #1...38
Nobody's Car...34
Apogee...25
European Legacy...21
Under Wraps #2...3
Heat...1
Under Wraps...1
Lap of Luxury...1

Although Paparazzi wasn't played on the 1984 tour...Tull played Paparazzi  62 times during the 90s.  






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^ I've heard it said that Anderson was suffering from Laryngitis on that tour and it permanently f**ked his voice up, was never the same again.

Never heard the album. Post Stormwatch I'm only picking Tull up again in the 00's. Just about anything from classic prog bands in the 80's is virtually unlistenable anyway to my ears.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Post Stormwatch I'm only picking Tull up again in the 00's. Just about anything from classic prog bands in the 80's is virtually unlistenable anyway to my ears.

I've got them all up to Broadsword, which is actually quite enjoyable (if partly from a nostalgic point of view), although admittedly 'slight' compared to their best. I dusted 'A' down again last week; it has a couple of good tracks, but is probably mostly memorable for the 'Slipstream' DVD attached to the remaster, which probably should be in every Tull fan's collection.

After UW, owing to Anderson's aforementioned vocal limitations, they seemed to morph into Dire Straits on Crest and they lost me somewhat...
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Some things are frankly best left forgotten...

That's about my take on it.
Even with proper drums, the songs will remain not good (staying polite here)

Outside European Legacy, nothing worse saving.

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

They should have named it "Forgettable." And literally kept it under wraps.

Better yet, they should've left unwrapped the master tapes before setting up the instruments

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ I've heard it said that Anderson was suffering from Laryngitis on that tour and it permanently f**ked his voice up, was never the same again.

Never heard the album. Post Stormwatch I'm only picking Tull up again in the 00's. Just about anything from classic prog bands in the 80's is virtually unlistenable anyway to my ears.

I saw Tull on that tour (one of my worse concert ever).
If Ian's voice would've been the only problemPinch, then no problem.

It took me 20 years to go see Tull back on stage.

Have you tried Roots To Branches (from 96)?
That's the only one I bothered with. rarely listen to it nowadays, but I like the Eastern influences on it.
I also find Knave OK (if you abstract the two tracks that have eloped from ZZ's Eliminator album), and if I got it at home, it's because it was dirt cheap and didn't want to come out empty-handed


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I also find Knave OK (if you abstract the two tracks that have eloped from ZZ's Eliminator album), and if I got it at home, it's because it was dirt cheap and didn't want to come out empty-handed

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I think that almost any seriously done drumming would improve drastically this (joke of an) album, but that, rather than remix, would be directly a re-recording.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ I've heard it said that Anderson was suffering from Laryngitis on that tour and it permanently f**ked his voice up, was never the same again.

Never heard the album. Post Stormwatch I'm only picking Tull up again in the 00's. Just about anything from classic prog bands in the 80's is virtually unlistenable anyway to my ears.


Mostly true, but A is another essential Tull release. I also love The Broadsword and the Beast (though many of the songs that didn't make the album are as good, if not better). Crest of a Knave is also very good, though "Steel Monkey" wouldn't sound out of place on Under Wraps.
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I'm part of the "it has some good stuff" crowd (I love Later That Same Evening) and would be very keen to listen to it with a proper drummer. But then a drummer brings in a new dynamic and so just adding a drummer to what already exists wouldn't be remotely as good as had the band recorded it with a proper drummer originally. Full re-recording isn't going to happen, I'm afraid.

Actually the Under Wraps tour was the only time I saw them live, and they were overall good if probably not as good as they had been earlier. The drummer (I forgot who it was) was pretty true to the sound of the album and generally not that impressive. 


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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ I've heard it said that Anderson was suffering from Laryngitis on that tour and it permanently f**ked his voice up, was never the same again.

Never heard the album. Post Stormwatch I'm only picking Tull up again in the 00's. Just about anything from classic prog bands in the 80's is virtually unlistenable anyway to my ears.


Mostly true, but A is another essential Tull release. I also love The Broadsword and the Beast (though many of the songs that didn't make the album are as good, if not better). Crest of a Knave is also very good, though "Steel Monkey" wouldn't sound out of place on Under Wraps.

I love the fact that they got Eddie Jobson involved on A but then that perhaps just makes me have unrealistic expectations for it. I'm prepared to try again with it but it's not a priority!
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I love the fact that they got Eddie Jobson involved on A but then that perhaps just makes me have unrealistic expectations for it. I'm prepared to try again with it but it's not a priority!
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Hi,

As a lover of the arts, and specially music, I do not feel qualified to judge Ian's choices for his work, and how he wishes to distribute it. 

I have not heard a lot of JT since Songs from the Wood ... when Ian made the obvious decision to become the main artist on the American FM radio with his releases. 

Somehow, in my mind, there was better music all around the world and played on Space Pirate Radio, that was far better, and more interesting ... it does not mean that Ian is no longer the artist he was/is, but it means that my time on his work has stopped ... as my interests have gone elsewhere.

Great works in the earlier days, absolutely no doubt about it! But I'm not sure a new version of it is gonna make it better, with either Karajahn or Bernstein or Wilson or another conductor at the helm. I don't think that the life of the original music can be "taken out" or "changed" despite it sounding very different. 
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