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Porcupine Tree - Deadwing is the first I can remember. I’d listened to other stuff that’s on PA, but which I don’t necessarily call prog.
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A Pink Floyd compilation full of early material was another useful starting point I forgot to mention!

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Nursery Cryme by Genesis, Relayer by Yes, and the first Emerson Lake & Palmer album.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

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I was reading a fairly recent interview with guitarist Steve Lukather, and he said something very original, that there are no "copycat groups" out there, that each artist is unique...and that is a perspective I have rarely heard said by anybody....I found it quite interesting.....so with that perspective, ELP are ELP , and Triumvirat sound like Triumvirat, and Yes are Yes, and Starcastle sound like Starcastle....and so on....

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There weren't many copycats way back when and THAT IS THE REASON why we remember so many of them! But saying that TODAY, when we go through the list of each month, it is a completely different story ... not that many things are exceptionally "different" as the stuff was 50 years ago, and we are not able to appreciate it without comparing it to something else.

None of us sits here and says that the Romantic Era in music was better than the Expressionistic Era in music, and it was obvious that it was a different time and place for each of those ... but we keep listing these bands in the same era as if it all was up in the last 5 years or so ... and that is something that is difficult to relate to a lot of "today's" audience. It's not that they don't listen to music, or don't like yesterday's stuff ... it is more that it is looked at as exactly the same as those were 50 years ago ... AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE at all!

To me, they are all different ... and that is what makes me enjoy them even though some will say that this bands sounds like and that band sounds like, which for me is like saying Triumvirat sounds like ELP ... it takes the compositional side of Triumvirat out the window for me, and that is not fair to the musicians that tried so hard to do what they saw and thought was valuable.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply, moshkito....
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

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I was reading a fairly recent interview with guitarist Steve Lukather, and he said something very original, that there are no "copycat groups" out there, that each artist is unique...and that is a perspective I have rarely heard said by anybody....I found it quite interesting.....so with that perspective, ELP are ELP , and Triumvirat sound like Triumvirat, and Yes are Yes, and Starcastle sound like Starcastle....and so on....

Hi,

There weren't many copycats way back when and THAT IS THE REASON why we remember so many of them! But saying that TODAY, when we go through the list of each month, it is a completely different story ... not that many things are exceptionally "different" as the stuff was 50 years ago, and we are not able to appreciate it without comparing it to something else.

None of us sits here and says that the Romantic Era in music was better than the Expressionistic Era in music, and it was obvious that it was a different time and place for each of those ... but we keep listing these bands in the same era as if it all was up in the last 5 years or so ... and that is something that is difficult to relate to a lot of "today's" audience. It's not that they don't listen to music, or don't like yesterday's stuff ... it is more that it is looked at as exactly the same as those were 50 years ago ... AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE at all!

To me, they are all different ... and that is what makes me enjoy them even though some will say that this bands sounds like and that band sounds like, which for me is like saying Triumvirat sounds like ELP ... it takes the compositional side of Triumvirat out the window for me, and that is not fair to the musicians that tried so hard to do what they saw and thought was valuable.
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I think I was born for listening prog, but the album is this:

Trilogy t.)
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I'm not sure I could say which album did it. I got to know a few ones out of coincidence before ever knowing what prog was. First, I was curious about Pink Floyd, so from them I did get first The Wall, though now it's far from my favourite from them. And then a friend lent me some mix tapes with several Floyd songs, and then I started to get all their albums. The same friend also lent me some Alan Parsons, and then I think I borrowed their first two albums (and then some more) before buying them myself. And she also lent me Myths and Legends from Rick Wakeman. Also, I borrowed several vinyls from my grandmother, including Hamburger Concerto from Focus (which she strongly recommended) and Cinquiem Saison from Harmonium (which I think she never gave much of a chance, actually). I also borrowed from her Live Bursting Out from Jethro Tull and Relayer from Yes, but they didn't click with me at the time. And then, because of the Wakeman connection, I did get curious about some more Yes (specially if it featured Wakeman) and looked out about them (and thus I ended up knowing PA), and did start getting their dyscography, starting with Fragile and Close to the Edge... and I guess that's the moment I officially started seeking prog.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Where I done growed up, tweren't nothin' called prog in them thar early 70s. Y'all either had good rock or bullsh*t. 

So we listened to Yes, Tull, King Crimson, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Floyd, Genesis, The Who, The Allman Brothers, Traffic, Moody Blues, The Stones, Procol Harum, Santana, Bowie, Neil Young, T. Rex, Humble Pie, Mott the Hoople, Alice Cooper, and 60s stuff like The Beatles, the Doors, Hendrix, Janis, Cream, etc. The "genre" didn't mean jack. It was either good, or it was ignored.

Hi,

That's the thing that bothers me the most about some of the things listed that (supposedly) are good, and I have sat and listened to it ... and honestly, I could not say "it was good". 

I don't like to compare things, since it was a different time and place, but a lot of the music these days, is missing the strength ... of what another band says ... forgot what you are fighting for ... and try hard to make us think that words from the "book" are important and then some "conceptual" things here and there, that sound no different than anything else.

I am not sure that many folks realize how DIFFERENT each one was that you mentioned, as opposed to some listing where many bands have a similar format and basically the same style, with the "solos" in exactly the same place ... it's like the personality of the music is invisible, and we can't say that about your list.
I was reading a fairly recent interview with guitarist Steve Lukather, and he said something very original, that there are no "copycat groups" out there, that each artist is unique...and that is a perspective I have rarely heard said by anybody....I found it quite interesting.....so with that perspective, ELP are ELP , and Triumvirat sound like Triumvirat, and Yes are Yes, and Starcastle sound like Starcastle....and so on....

Edited by presdoug - July 16 2024 at 09:24
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Where I done growed up, tweren't nothin' called prog in them thar early 70s. Y'all either had good rock or bullsh*t. 

So we listened to Yes, Tull, King Crimson, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Floyd, Genesis, The Who, The Allman Brothers, Traffic, Moody Blues, The Stones, Procol Harum, Santana, Bowie, Neil Young, T. Rex, Humble Pie, Mott the Hoople, Alice Cooper, and 60s stuff like The Beatles, the Doors, Hendrix, Janis, Cream, etc. The "genre" didn't mean jack. It was either good, or it was ignored.

Hi,

That's the thing that bothers me the most about some of the things listed that (supposedly) are good, and I have sat and listened to it ... and honestly, I could not say "it was good". 

I don't like to compare things, since it was a different time and place, but a lot of the music these days, is missing the strength ... of what another band says ... forgot what you are fighting for ... and try hard to make us think that words from the "book" are important and then some "conceptual" things here and there, that sound no different than anything else.

I am not sure that many folks realize how DIFFERENT each one was that you mentioned, as opposed to some listing where many bands have a similar format and basically the same style, with the "solos" in exactly the same place ... it's like the personality of the music is invisible, and we can't say that about your list.
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Where I done growed up, tweren't nothin' called prog in them thar early 70s. Y'all either had good rock or bullsh*t. 

So we listened to Yes, Tull, King Crimson, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Floyd, Genesis, The Who, The Allman Brothers, Traffic, Moody Blues, The Stones, Procol Harum, Santana, Bowie, Neil Young, T. Rex, Humble Pie, Mott the Hoople, Alice Cooper, and 60s stuff like The Beatles, the Doors, Hendrix, Janis, Cream, etc. The "genre" didn't mean jack. It was either good, or it was ignored.


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Aqualung, age 14. My older sister bought it because she played the flute in high school band and someone told her this guy was really good. I don't think she was expecting that kind of heaviness. Bungle in the Jungle was a hit at the time, but I thought it was kinda silly so I didn't really like it. Then I heard My God and thought - this is as heavy as Black Sabbath, but with a flute! Listening to that song while looking at the inner gatefold was a life-changer.
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Jethro Tull, Kansas, Yes, etc. in popular settings (not so much outwardly noted as "prog" or something unique).

With Gentle Giant, I got into the more complex / deep prog.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Spirit Of The Age was great at least. I love the whole album actually and it's probably the only Hawkwind album that I can put up with it. (Bad nostalgia of a sixth form common room and Hawkwind were constantly on the stereo especially anything involving Michael Moorcroft bellowing out.)


QS&C isn't my fave Hawkwind album but it rocks. I like "Damnation Alley" (based on Zelazny's book) a lot.

You don't like Warrior on the Edge of Time, Choose Your Masques, Chronicle of the Black Sword...?

I suppose I need to expand my listening but I've only tried a few albums here and there. Space Ritual is the only other album I've properly listened to. Warrior On The Edge Of Time is still very much the Moorcock (not Moorcroft above, typo!) era but I note it has a strong rating on PA so I'll give that a go.Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Spirit Of The Age was great at least. I love the whole album actually and it's probably the only Hawkwind album that I can put up with it. (Bad nostalgia of a sixth form common room and Hawkwind were constantly on the stereo especially anything involving Michael Moorcroft bellowing out.)


QS&C isn't my fave Hawkwind album but it rocks. I like "Damnation Alley" (based on Zelazny's book) a lot.

You don't like Warrior on the Edge of Time, Choose Your Masques, Chronicle of the Black Sword...?
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Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:

Back in 1982 my older brother left 2 cassettes on the living room table: Genesis - Three Sides Live and Supertramp - Paris.
I was 13 and already knew how to operate the cassette player, so I put the cassettes in... and was completely blown away. I went to the library and tried to search, what kind of music that was. Later that year I bought my first vinyl on the flee market from my small pocket money: a used copy of Yes - Yessongs, because in the library I found the information, that this music might fit. That's how it all started.
Btw, I still have the album!


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Back in 1982 my older brother left 2 cassettes on the living room table: Genesis - Three Sides Live and Supertramp - Paris.
I was 13 and already knew how to operate the cassette player, so I put the cassettes in... and was completely blown away. I went to the library and tried to search, what kind of music that was. Later that year I bought my first vinyl on the flee market from my small pocket money: a used copy of Yes - Yessongs, because in the library I found the information, that this music might fit. That's how it all started.
Btw, I still have the album!
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Originally posted by Neon_meate Neon_meate wrote:

Have you heard Quark by Jun Fukamachi?


That desperately needs a reissue.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Neon_meate Neon_meate wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Neon_meate Neon_meate wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My prog rock starter kit - the first dozen prog albums I ever bought.



Oh!! A lot of your starter pack is similar to mine! Not albums but definitely bands. Camel’s Mirage along side Moonmadness.

And I still love Force Majeure by Tangerine Dream.



Force Majeure was the fourth Tangerine Dream album I ever bought, after Stratosfear, Ricochet & Rubycon. From Tangerine Dream, that led me on to the music of Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Synergy and Tomita..... You say Tomita, I say Tomato. Let's call the whole thing off. Tongue




Your path was definitely similar to mine! I adore Cords by Synergy! I’ve listened quite a bit to Jean as well! Have you heard Quark by Jun Fukamachi?
No, but I've heard Quark, Strangeness and Charm, where Hawkwind  sound strangely punkish, and lacking in charm. but maybe not so surprising for 1977. Smile


Spirit Of The Age was great at least. I love the whole album actually and it's probably the only Hawkwind album that I can put up with it. (Bad nostalgia of a sixth form common room and Hawkwind were constantly on the stereo especially anything involving Michael Moorcroft bellowing out.)
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