What to think of "subject(ive)" and "object(ive)"?

The 5 star system is a good one . The only way to really tell if the reviewer enjoyed the ride... or not. 

Edited by Valdez - June 22 2024 at 08:18

Hrychu wrote: I don't have a grudge against the 5 star system but IMHO it should be purely optional.

Edited by David_D - July 05 2024 at 04:12

Between 2010 and 2019 I witnessed a lot of controlling people buying musicians to play a specific style of music to supposedly appeal to the majority of people who drink and dance to what we once knew as Country Music but is now a big invention called Modern Country.

It's liking is of course subjective to people but because of its investment by business tycoons or the local tri state vicinity Middle class Federal Express guy wants to back his wife to sing Country and by doing so attempts to bargain with seasoned musicians by paying them extra out of his pocket as opposed to even considering a bar owner someone who is willing to pay a fair price for talented musicians playing Modern Country.

Most musicians are thinking about the money. With this guy paying more out of his pocket than any band you could sit in with in the tri state area then why consider anything else?

Business and music are not a healthy combination. People today will invest in Modern Country music on a lower scale like bars, rodeos and festivals and present it as something way better than what it's real value is...regardless if music is subjective or not. In a very persistent and pushy narcissist way they will promote that music and overate it's value.

Musicians may get the offer and quit the band they're in just for better profit. They were perhaps playing in a band that covered some Dance Music but also a few Fusion instrumentals to make the gig more interesting but the Modern Country gig pays a hundred dollars more. They tell the Modern Country band..."I don't like this guy...he plays old sh*t" "How much does it pay?" " A hundred more?..I'll be there"

This made me feel ill...and I walked away from it in 2019 . First of all...in that business it's like putting music in a grinder. Music is subjective and if you are a seasoned player and you play music which you personally dislike for great money...and if you have a heart...you will eventually turn your back on it. Turn away from it...otherwise be miserable for years. Spiritually unhappy. Following instructions from narcissist band leaders who invest in one path. A limited path...and in that environment people tend to act egocentric because they want to sugarcoat product . Then the music suffers. The music suffers anyway. It's bad enough..we don't need more dictatorship with manipulative concepts.

chopper wrote: Many years ago someone on PA posted that the appreciation of music was objective.

Music itself is objectively music (tones arranged in deliberate patterns) unless it is objectively not music (un-deliberate patterns, noise).

But I would say an argument could be made that music appreciation is both sub- and objective.   Unfortunately I don't have the time to do that at present.