Out-Bloody-Rageous is shockingly similar to BOC |
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Gnik Nosmirc
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Posted: July 02 2024 at 10:52 |
The beginning of Out-Bloody-Rageous, the last track on Soft Machine's Third, one of the corner stone of the Canterbury Scene, sounds just like something straight of Music Has the Right to Children.
I find absolutely crazy that Mike Ratledge was able to pull of something so ahead of its time. I mean, it was 1970! Boards of Canada would release their debut album in 1998, that is 28 years later!!! Edited by Gnik Nosmirc - July 02 2024 at 10:53 |
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Mormegil
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Sorry, I read BOC as Blue Oyster Cult . . .
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Welcome to the middle of the film.
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Psychedelic Paul
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So did I.
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Saperlipopette!
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^Yep BOC means Blue Öyster Cult and nothing else:)
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mathman0806
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So who's putting up the BÖC vs BOC poll?
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Logan
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Yeah, I too read it as Blue Oyster Cult. I'm much more into Boards of Canada (BoC), which is one of my very favourite bands. Music Has the Right to Children and Third are two of my absolute favourite albums and the beginning (and ending to a lesser extent) does sound similar. Probably a reason why I love both. Music is not born in a vacuum and board of Canada were influenced by much music that came before, and Soft Machine would have been influenced by other music there.
Anyway, as two of the albums that I have been most infatuated with, nice to see music from the excellent Third and Music Has the Right to Children being compared. |
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TheGazzardian
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I also read it as Blue Oyster Cult and was confused. Never listened to Boards of Canada.
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Logan
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^ A favourite track of mine off Music Has the Right to Children (great album per my tastes):
And a couple others that were early favourites of mine just in case anyone is interested. I think you might like this one, which is maybe the first BoC track that I got into. Edited by Logan - July 03 2024 at 10:24 |
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Psychedelic Paul
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I bought Boards of Canada's debut album without hearing it first - having been intrigued by the hazy album cover - but quickly got bored with it and gave it away to the same charity shop I bought it from.
I'll get back to my Blue Oyster Cult albums - they're the only BOC for me. Edited by Psychedelic Paul - July 03 2024 at 10:39 |
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Logan
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^ Often you're too quick to dismiss, imo. Often it is hearing the right album or the right track at the right time and in the right state of mind, and it can take time to acclimate to music and to "feel" it. Your common insistence on judging a band by a cursory listen to its first album is nether doing the band any service, those you share your opinions with, nor yourself from my perspective. It can make you seem close-minded and overly judgmental without sufficient justification for your opinions to me, TBH. And I think it lends itself to unhealthy overly simplistic, lazy black and white thinking (lacking nuance). But to each their own. I do think the way you listen to lots and lots of albums to rate them for your lists, and various albums you have barely listened, to is a very superficial way to appreciate music. If it makes you happy and gives you some purpose in life, fine, but it's one reason why some find it very hard to take your ratings and opinions seriously. Anyway, you seem to be much loved character at PA (unlike me, for instance, who some loathe), and none of this matters much from a global perspective. Just sharing a perspective, sorry if it sounds harsh (but then I think of you as the Teflon man -- nothing sticks).
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Grumpyprogfan
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^I agree that your mood can affect your opinion of an album. However, in the thousands of records I've heard, my initial opinion, if I enjoy it or not, is usually correct. Sure, you can force yourself to tolerate it, but music is personal and I wouldn't say not liking something, any art, is being lazy.
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Logan
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^ I'm not saying that not liking something is being lazy, I'm saying that Paul's approach to listening to lots and lots of albums can, I think, lend itself to a certain laziness when it comes to the assessment of music, and in how one shares one's opinions of the music and bands. Doesn't have to be deep analysis. I think it lends itself to a more superficial appreciation of specific music and dis-appreciation of bands. Of course he can follow his bliss, but it does lead to the wrong assumptions, and too easy dismissals, sometimes if you have not, say, looked into a discography. Lots of artists have a variety and one also does not need to like music to appreciate it.
I often can tell on first listen to, but I would hope commonly to be careful if dismissing everything, or not being open to anything, from an artist due to first impressions based on very limited listening. Maybe I won't ever like that, but I might like something else by the same artist down the road. I would not be comfortable ratings albums as readily as Paul does on such limited listening. And maybe my interests do shift more than most as I get exposed to more music, but I also do have that kind of music that I tend to appreciate which tends to be on the atmospheric side and is often quite cinematic, may be quirky, may be melancholy, may have psychedelic qualities, tends to be more muted rather than yahooish, or virtuosic and fiery performance displays. |
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Logan
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BY the way, Board of Canada is not something I would recommend to Paul. It's a more general observation when it comes to his approach, ratings, and commentary.
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Gnik Nosmirc
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Sorry for the confusion. I meant Boards of Canada. But let me insist still even more. The beginning keyboard of Out-Bloody-Rageous really, really sounds similar to Music Has the Right to Children. It feels much more than a simple inspiration. But I've never heard BOC being influenced by Soft Machine, hence why I think that it is such a weird coincidence.
I find it amazing how in the 70's, this sounds like something that could have been released in the 90's. Pretty much like 21st Century Schizoid Man. Maybe I am exaggerating a bit, though. Edited by Gnik Nosmirc - July 03 2024 at 12:37 |
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richardh
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Just about any prog in the 90's sounds like it could have been released in the 70's. OK that is an exaggeration! This seems a weird thread to me. King Crimson's Red was the way ahead of its time album. Not sure anything can beat that?!
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Sebastianmoto
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I agree, the similarities between the opening section (and it's reprise) are pretty apparent, and even throughout the track the use of the same sounds here and there remain reminiscent. I've never been big on Boards of Canada but I've sent it to my eclectic-listening dad, who loves BOC and Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock and even some Caravan, and I'm sure he'll enjoy this.
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