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Originally posted by alienshore alienshore wrote:

If any new prog band made an album like Hold Your Fire it would be a sensation of the year
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Originally posted by alienshore alienshore wrote:

Rush don't have bad albums, each album has it's own quality.

If any new prog band made an album like Hold Your Fire it would be a sensation of the year, but new bands don't have a vision, melodic quality and instrumental precision that Rush had. Time Stand Still, Primemover, Lock and Key or Mission are badass songs


I don't really think so. That kind of AOR Pop-Rock would sound very dated today, and I think a song like Tai Shan could be thought of as quite bad and ass (actually, I like it to be honest, so nevermind. I just know people who hate it). I imagine if recent band like black midi put something out like that that it would not get as much respect as, say, their Hellfire album. I feel a Hold Your Hellfire poll coming on.   

To each their own. To me Hold your Fire's pretty good, but I think there is much more exciting music coming out from many recent/contemporary bands. I guess for some of those most into melodic rock with retro 80s vibes then it could be quite the sensation, but I doubt it would get much general acclaim.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

That kind of AOR Pop-Rock would sound very dated today, and I think a song like Tai Shan could be thought of as quite bad and ass (actually, I like it to be honest, so nevermind. I just know people who hate it).


What's funny is, IMHO, "Tai Shan" (which I used to regard as a low point in their discography) has aged a lot better than a song like "Virtuality" from Test for Echo. It's not a terrible song, per se, but it's rather, ah, skippable. Maybe it was originally intended to be a single.

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^ LOL, yes, agree. A very dated and very cheesy song.

Now I feel like coming up with a hip and with-it song that involves my Commodore 64 (a system for me that never dated badly -- or at least it wouldn't have if it hadn't stopped working).
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ LOL, yes, agree. A very dated and very cheesy song.

Now I feel like coming up with a hip and with-it song that involves my Commodore 64 (a system for me that never dated badly -- or at least it wouldn't have if it hadn't stopped working).


I never had a C64. Color me Compaq!
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Originally posted by alienshore alienshore wrote:

Rush don't have bad albums, each album has it's own quality.

If any new prog band made an album like Hold Your Fire it would be a sensation of the year, but new bands don't have a vision, melodic quality and instrumental precision that Rush had. Time Stand Still, Primemover, Lock and Key or Mission are badass songs
Oh, ok then. I'll have to inform all my bandmates to stop continuing to have a vision, melodic quality, and instrumental precision to fit this uninformed opinion because we are new. And while we're at it, we might as well stop listening to any new bands/artists making inspiring music because apparently we're wrong and it's actually not inspired at all. Thank you for enlightening me.
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Let's debate the very questionable assumptions, or in the words of Rush's Hold Your Fire, just "Turn the Page". ;) Fanboys gonna fanboy. I'd prefer the discussion than moving on personally and would be interested to see how it is defended even if it ultimately is just a shaky subjective opinion.

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ LOL, yes, agree. A very dated and very cheesy song.

Now I feel like coming up with a hip and with-it song that involves my Commodore 64 (a system for me that never dated badly -- or at least it wouldn't have if it hadn't stopped working).


I never had a C64. Color me Compaq!


My first computer was a Sinclair. The first computer I wanted to buy with my own money was a Compaq, but I was pressured by family into spending far too much on a computer that didn't even come with a soundcard. Compaq was better for my needs and would have been a third the price.
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The lyrics on Virtuality are very dated. I struggle to listen to it. In general, it's not a very good song anyway. It has that good opening riff but that's about it. 

Rush may not have a truly bad record but they definitely have stronger and weaker albums. If someone can't admit that then they need to take off their homer glasses because they aren't even beginning to look at things objectively. Every band has its ups and downs. I've been a Rush fan since about 80/81 and I cringe at all the fanboys who think they can do no wrong. It's okay to find fault where it's warranted. That doesn't make anyone any less of a fan.  
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In the 80s there was no internet, so how could Hold Your Fire get a gold record? Radio stations and MTV did not care about Rush music, but an album reach top 20 in UK and USA. Maybe it is because they had a big loyal fan base. People loves hits, they like big melodies and Rush are the hitmakers of prog-rock music. This is the real reason why is Rush so famous.

Why new prog-bands don't have gold or platinum records for their albums? People don't care about 15-25 minute songs, they want hear an interesting creative commercial melodies with bombastic arrangements. That's Hold Your Fire and after 37 years people are still talking about that album. 
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^ Canadian rock radio stations consistently played Rush, and I think they still do. Rush certainly did have a loyal fanbase, and where I live the band has been a "household" name (sure it can depend on the household). I'm sure there are various new acts, Prog, Proggy, or non-Prog, that would reasonably fit your criteria.
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I remember Rush on MTV, but only a few songs. Big Money, Time Stand Still, Distant Early Warning.....Comparing those albums to the early ones is where the line forms with fans. It's very easy for me to enjoy all Rush albums since I grew up with them in the late 70's, so I experienced the transition both on records and on stage.
I think its harder for a fan to have started in the 90s then tried to understand why the change in the 80s. 

But yes all their albums sold extremely well considering their hard progressive roots. It's simple, people just bought their albums and I think a huge part of that was Neil Peart. Remember back then it was all about the rock magazines, and him winning so many drumming titles and all the accolades that rock fans bought the records to Gold and Platinum status.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I remember Rush on MTV, but only a few songs. Big Money, Time Stand Still, Distant Early Warning.....


The "Distant Early Warning" video got the heaviest rotation of any that I saw, until "Roll the Bones." That seemed to be a moderate hit and did get plenty of FM airplay.
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