DarksideofAbel wrote: Ozric Tentacles? maybe!!!! those guys are great!!!

I heart the Ozrics. I own nearly everything they've done (that's many albums and a good chunk of dough).

That being said, they're directly influenced by Hillage. My favorite Hillage album, Green (1978), is the blueprint for Ozric Tentacles. The title alone gives it away, no? But I think Ed Wynne developed this sound to his taste and ultimately created material that's as potent.

This is hard topic for debate. if we consider prog music as dead from 1979 and onwards, then we are doomed. from every band after 1979, we can hear some of the influences from those great bands who are the true represents of the so called prog

Edited by grosssover - June 12 2024 at 17:51

DarksideofAbel wrote: Ok. I am the one that started this controversial topic!!! in another post.  It is very hard to actually to distinguish or notice a band after 1979 that is actually original. like I said also! the only bands that I might consider original and not even 100% are prog Metal bands like: Meshuggah ( these guys are pretty original) . Dream Theater is a band that are great musician mixing prog, fusion jazz and Thrash Metal, great sound they created, but what originality there are in  their songs?  Porcupine Tree is a band that mixed in the early days a bit of krautrock (Tangerine Dream) Rush, Pink Floyd and King Crimson. Love the band what originality? Riverside? Opeth? Opeth mixed  Death Metal with jazz fusion, folk with prog very successfully and made great albums. is that been original? perhaps!!! I can perhaps continue mentioning more bands but it will not anywhere? The question is what band is actually creating a new brand (type) of prog?  It is very hard when we had bands like: Yes, King Crimson, Gong, Magma, Frank Zappa, henry Cow, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Jethro Tull, ELP, Univers Zero, Gentle Giant and Rush. These bands don't sound like each other!  Please mention any bands after 1979 that are different from the 70's prog bands.

Bruford had a band with Dave Stewart, Jeff Berlin and collaborated with Barbara Gaskin and Amanda Parsons of the Northettes..releasing Gradually Going Tornado which was somewhat Canterbury ( sub genre) in Prog ...I believe in 1980?

Art Zoyd released several Electronic Prog albums in the 80s that I liked.

Julverne releasing a couple of interesting albums in the 80s. Often associated with the Rock In Opposition movement they more of an ensemble than an actual Prog band..

Birdsongs Of The Mesozoic were one of my favorites. They seemed to have a very original style.

Miriodor from Canada are unique . Although they DO have similarities to Gentle Giant and that is somewhat revealed through their instrumental composition. ...however if you check out their discography you'll realize that there is something original about them.

Goblin were influenced by Genesis and at times Keith Emerson. On the later albums ...not so much. For a while Goblin was split in to 2 bands. Goblin Rebirth is a magnificent Progressive Rock album. Their album releases since 2001 differ from the Classic Goblin and is more interesting to me...except for the rerecorded versions of Zombi and Suspiria, ( which are okay)..they have several releases from both bands that are amazing and are very original sounding...especially Goblin Rebirth

Camel...Dust And Dreams, Harbour Of Tears, and Rajaz contain very original music. Although at times they create a Pink Floyd vibe or Genesis....Camel have a distinctive style of their own which you'd never hear in the music of Genesis or Floyd.

Art ZOYD live Sept 2015 This is some amazing and wild performance!!!! 

Jacob Schoolcraft wrote: Goblin were influenced by Genesis and at times Keith Emerson. On the later albums ...not so much. For a while Goblin was split in to 2 bands. Goblin Rebirth is a magnificent Progressive Rock album. Their album releases since 2001 differ from the Classic Goblin and is more interesting to me...except for the rerecorded versions of Zombi and Suspiria, ( which are okay)..they have several releases from both bands that are amazing and are very original sounding...especially Goblin Rebirth

Yo, JS!

Goblin is one of my OG prog groups. I liked them before I was into the symph bands, before the jazz-fusion bands, before Rush, before just about everybody, except Tangerine Dream.

The Goblin precursor Cherry Five (CS, FP, MM, with Tony Tartarini on vocals and Carlo Bordini on drums) owed a good deal more to Yes than Genesis or ELP. Simonetti definitely has more Wakeman in his early style than Emerson or Banks.

Goblin Rebirth's eponymous is solid, but I like BacktotheGoblin's 2006 self-titled album tons more! Goblin's last original, Four of a Kind, is another hit.

We could alleviate much confusion just by adding an S to Prog.

Edited by Valdez - June 12 2024 at 18:53

Jacob Schoolcraft wrote: DarksideofAbel wrote: Ok. I am the one that started this controversial topic!!! in another post.  It is very hard to actually to distinguish or notice a band after 1979 that is actually original. like I said also! the only bands that I might consider original and not even 100% are prog Metal bands like: Meshuggah ( these guys are pretty original) . Dream Theater is a band that are great musician mixing prog, fusion jazz and Thrash Metal, great sound they created, but what originality there are in  their songs?  Porcupine Tree is a band that mixed in the early days a bit of krautrock (Tangerine Dream) Rush, Pink Floyd and King Crimson. Love the band what originality? Riverside? Opeth? Opeth mixed  Death Metal with jazz fusion, folk with prog very successfully and made great albums. is that been original? perhaps!!! I can perhaps continue mentioning more bands but it will not anywhere? The question is what band is actually creating a new brand (type) of prog?  It is very hard when we had bands like: Yes, King Crimson, Gong, Magma, Frank Zappa, henry Cow, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Jethro Tull, ELP, Univers Zero, Gentle Giant and Rush. These bands don't sound like each other!  Please mention any bands after 1979 that are different from the 70's prog bands.  Bruford had a band with Dave Stewart, Jeff Berlin and collaborated with Barbara Gaskin and Amanda Parsons of the Northettes..releasing Gradually Going Tornado which was somewhat Canterbury ( sub genre) in Prog ...I believe in 1980? Art Zoyd released several Electronic Prog albums in the 80s that I liked. Julverne releasing a couple of interesting albums in the 80s. Often associated with the Rock In Opposition movement they more of an ensemble than an actual Prog band.. Birdsongs Of The Mesozoic were one of my favorites. They seemed to have a very original style. Miriodor from Canada are unique . Although they DO have similarities to Gentle Giant and that is somewhat revealed through their instrumental composition. ...however if you check out their discography you'll realize that there is something original about them. Goblin were influenced by Genesis and at times Keith Emerson. On the later albums ...not so much. For a while Goblin was split in to 2 bands. Goblin Rebirth is a magnificent Progressive Rock album. Their album releases since 2001 differ from the Classic Goblin and is more interesting to me...except for the rerecorded versions of Zombi and Suspiria, ( which are okay)..they have several releases from both bands that are amazing and are very original sounding...especially Goblin Rebirth Camel...Dust And Dreams, Harbour Of Tears, and Rajaz contain very original music. Although at times they create a Pink Floyd vibe or Genesis....Camel have a distinctive style of their own which you'd never hear in the music of Genesis or Floyd. Bruford ( fusion band)   Years active: 1977-1980  Goblin and Camel is a 70's band!!!!  Julverne and Birdsongs Of The Mesozoic  (i have to check them out). Miriodor  (I know them a bit).

DarksideofAbel wrote: Valdez wrote: We could alleviate much confusion just by adding an S to Prog. Progs... Like Dogs... Many sizes shapes and breeds. Ugly Dogs, stupid dogs, show worthy Dogs, My Husky even sings.... Still Dogs. Seriously though... To say Prog Died in 79 is ridiculous.  You are welcome!

Edited by Valdez - June 12 2024 at 19:20

Valdez wrote: ... I think I can make an accurate prediction about WHEN Progs will die though... 2040.  Our Huge CD collections will be in thrift stores next to the whipped Cream LPs. So will our 'Larks Tongue' T-shirts. Cuz most of us won't be here.  Some poor kid will be digging through the 1.99 CDs and think to himself... Who the F@ck is Samla mammas Mama?