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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Ozric Tentacles? maybe!!!! those guys are great!!! 


I heart the Ozrics. I own nearly everything they've done (that's many albums and a good chunk of dough).

That being said, they're directly influenced by Hillage. My favorite Hillage album, Green (1978), is the blueprint for Ozric Tentacles. The title alone gives it away, no? But I think Ed Wynne developed this sound to his taste and ultimately created material that's as potent.

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Art Zoyd, However, Univers Zero, Present, 5UU's, U Totem, Massacre...





 Art Zoyd and Univers are from the 70's dude!!! 
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This is hard topic for debate. if we consider prog music as dead from 1979 and onwards, then we are doomed. from every band after 1979, we can hear some of the influences from those great bands who are the true represents of the so called prog

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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Art Zoyd and Univers are from the 70's dude!!!


I realize that, hombre, but they did their best stuff after '79, regardless.

However also got started in the '70s. You're not going to call me out for that, dude??!!
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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:



Ok. I am the one that started this controversial topic!!! in another post. 
It is very hard to actually to distinguish or notice a band after 1979 that is actually original. like I said also! the only bands that I might consider original and not even 100% are prog Metal bands like:
Meshuggah ( these guys are pretty original) .
Dream Theater is a band that are great musician mixing prog, fusion jazz and Thrash Metal, great sound they created, but what originality there are in  their songs? 
Porcupine Tree is a band that mixed in the early days a bit of krautrock (Tangerine Dream) Rush, Pink Floyd and King Crimson. Love the band what originality?
Riverside? Opeth?
Opeth mixed  Death Metal with jazz fusion, folk with prog very successfully and made great albums. is that been original? perhaps!!!
I can perhaps continue mentioning more bands but it will not anywhere?
The question is what band is actually creating a new brand (type) of prog? 
It is very hard when we had bands like: Yes, King Crimson, Gong, Magma, Frank Zappa, henry Cow, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Jethro Tull, ELP, Univers Zero, Gentle Giant and Rush. These bands don't sound like each other! 
Please mention any bands after 1979 that are different from the 70's prog bands. 




Bruford had a band with Dave Stewart, Jeff Berlin and collaborated with Barbara Gaskin and Amanda Parsons of the Northettes..releasing Gradually Going Tornado which was somewhat Canterbury ( sub genre) in Prog ...I believe in 1980?

Art Zoyd released several Electronic Prog albums in the 80s that I liked.

Julverne releasing a couple of interesting albums in the 80s. Often associated with the Rock In Opposition movement they more of an ensemble than an actual Prog band..

Birdsongs Of The Mesozoic were one of my favorites. They seemed to have a very original style.

Miriodor from Canada are unique . Although they DO have similarities to Gentle Giant and that is somewhat revealed through their instrumental composition. ...however if you check out their discography you'll realize that there is something original about them.

Goblin were influenced by Genesis and at times Keith Emerson. On the later albums ...not so much. For a while Goblin was split in to 2 bands. Goblin Rebirth is a magnificent Progressive Rock album. Their album releases since 2001 differ from the Classic Goblin and is more interesting to me...except for the rerecorded versions of Zombi and Suspiria, ( which are okay)..they have several releases from both bands that are amazing and are very original sounding...especially Goblin Rebirth

Camel...Dust And Dreams, Harbour Of Tears, and Rajaz contain very original music. Although at times they create a Pink Floyd vibe or Genesis....Camel have a distinctive style of their own which you'd never hear in the music of Genesis or Floyd.





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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Art Zoyd, However, Univers Zero, Present, 5UU's, U Totem, Massacre...





 Art Zoyd and Univers are from the 70's dude!!! 

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Thinking Plague also!!!!Clap


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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Ozric Tentacles? maybe!!!! those guys are great!!! 


I heart the Ozrics. I own nearly everything they've done (that's many albums and a good chunk of dough).

That being said, they're directly influenced by Hillage. My favorite Hillage album, Green (1978), is the blueprint for Ozric Tentacles. The title alone gives it away, no? But I think Ed Wynne developed this sound to his taste and ultimately created material that's as potent.

 Great!!! love them!!!! I saw them in a tiny place in NYC back in 1999 ( Soho) for about $10 dollars. As I remember, there were some sort of progfest in NYC as I found out about them in a Gong concert beafore Davied passed. few guys next to me were talking about Ozric Tentacles a band similar to Gong and hawkwind so I took the chance! and I felt in love instantly!!!Clap
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Art ZOYD live Sept 2015 This is some amazing and wild performance!!!! 

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Originally posted by grosssover grosssover wrote:

This is hard topic for debate. if we consider prog music as dead from 1979 and onwards, then we are doomed. from every band after 1979, we can hear some of the influences from those great bands who are the true represents of the so called prog
What I mean by dead!!! is that prog rock is a genre not "a" music movement as it was late 60's until 1979. 
 Many musicians are embracing the music was created but that is about it!!!


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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

Goblin were influenced by Genesis and at times Keith Emerson. On the later albums ...not so much. For a while Goblin was split in to 2 bands. Goblin Rebirth is a magnificent Progressive Rock album. Their album releases since 2001 differ from the Classic Goblin and is more interesting to me...except for the rerecorded versions of Zombi and Suspiria, ( which are okay)..they have several releases from both bands that are amazing and are very original sounding...especially Goblin Rebirth


Yo, JS!

Goblin is one of my OG prog groups. I liked them before I was into the symph bands, before the jazz-fusion bands, before Rush, before just about everybody, except Tangerine Dream.

The Goblin precursor Cherry Five (CS, FP, MM, with Tony Tartarini on vocals and Carlo Bordini on drums) owed a good deal more to Yes than Genesis or ELP. Simonetti definitely has more Wakeman in his early style than Emerson or Banks.

Goblin Rebirth's eponymous is solid, but I like BacktotheGoblin's 2006 self-titled album tons more! Goblin's last original, Four of a Kind, is another hit.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Art Zoyd and Univers are from the 70's dude!!!


I realize that, hombre, but they did their best stuff after '79, regardless.

However also got started in the '70s. You're not going to call me out for that, dude??!!
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We could alleviate much confusion just by adding an S to Prog.

Progs...

Like Dogs... Many sizes shapes and breeds. Ugly Dogs, stupid dogs, show worthy Dogs, My Husky even sings....

Still Dogs.

Seriously though... To say Prog Died in 79 is ridiculous. 

You are welcome!


Edited by Valdez - June 12 2024 at 18:53
https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024

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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

We could alleviate much confusion just by adding an S to Prog.

Progs...

Like Dogs... Many sizes shapes and breeds. Ugly Dogs, stupid dogs, show worthy Dogs, My Husky even sings....

Still Dogs.

Seriously though... To say Prog Died in 79 is ridiculous. 

You are welcome!


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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:



Ok. I am the one that started this controversial topic!!! in another post. 
It is very hard to actually to distinguish or notice a band after 1979 that is actually original. like I said also! the only bands that I might consider original and not even 100% are prog Metal bands like:
Meshuggah ( these guys are pretty original) .
Dream Theater is a band that are great musician mixing prog, fusion jazz and Thrash Metal, great sound they created, but what originality there are in  their songs? 
Porcupine Tree is a band that mixed in the early days a bit of krautrock (Tangerine Dream) Rush, Pink Floyd and King Crimson. Love the band what originality?
Riverside? Opeth?
Opeth mixed  Death Metal with jazz fusion, folk with prog very successfully and made great albums. is that been original? perhaps!!!
I can perhaps continue mentioning more bands but it will not anywhere?
The question is what band is actually creating a new brand (type) of prog? 
It is very hard when we had bands like: Yes, King Crimson, Gong, Magma, Frank Zappa, henry Cow, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Jethro Tull, ELP, Univers Zero, Gentle Giant and Rush. These bands don't sound like each other! 
Please mention any bands after 1979 that are different from the 70's prog bands. 




Bruford had a band with Dave Stewart, Jeff Berlin and collaborated with Barbara Gaskin and Amanda Parsons of the Northettes..releasing Gradually Going Tornado which was somewhat Canterbury ( sub genre) in Prog ...I believe in 1980?

Art Zoyd released several Electronic Prog albums in the 80s that I liked.

Julverne releasing a couple of interesting albums in the 80s. Often associated with the Rock In Opposition movement they more of an ensemble than an actual Prog band..

Birdsongs Of The Mesozoic were one of my favorites. They seemed to have a very original style.

Miriodor from Canada are unique . Although they DO have similarities to Gentle Giant and that is somewhat revealed through their instrumental composition. ...however if you check out their discography you'll realize that there is something original about them.

Goblin were influenced by Genesis and at times Keith Emerson. On the later albums ...not so much. For a while Goblin was split in to 2 bands. Goblin Rebirth is a magnificent Progressive Rock album. Their album releases since 2001 differ from the Classic Goblin and is more interesting to me...except for the rerecorded versions of Zombi and Suspiria, ( which are okay)..they have several releases from both bands that are amazing and are very original sounding...especially Goblin Rebirth

Camel...Dust And Dreams, Harbour Of Tears, and Rajaz contain very original music. Although at times they create a Pink Floyd vibe or Genesis....Camel have a distinctive style of their own which you'd never hear in the music of Genesis or Floyd.


Bruford ( fusion band) 
 Years active: 1977-1980 
Goblin and Camel is a 70's band!!!! 

Julverne and Birdsongs Of The Mesozoic  (i have to check them out).
Miriodor  (I know them a bit).

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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

We could alleviate much confusion just by adding an S to Prog.

Progs...

Like Dogs... Many sizes shapes and breeds. Ugly Dogs, stupid dogs, show worthy Dogs, My Husky even sings....

Still Dogs.

Seriously though... To say Prog Died in 79 is ridiculous. 

You are welcome!
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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

We could alleviate much confusion just by adding an S to Prog.

Progs...

Like Dogs... Many sizes shapes and breeds. Ugly Dogs, stupid dogs, show worthy Dogs, My Husky even sings....

Still Dogs.

Seriously though... To say Prog Died in 79 is ridiculous. 

You are welcome!
Wink

I think I can make an accurate prediction about WHEN Progs will die though... 2040.  Our Huge CD collections will be in thrift stores next to the whipped Cream LPs. So will our 'Larks Tongue' T-shirts. Cuz most of us won't be here.  Some poor kid will be digging through the 1.99 CDs and think to himself... Who the F@ck is Samla mammas Mama?


Edited by Valdez - June 12 2024 at 19:20
https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024

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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Samla Mammas Manna - the only Avant Prog band I actually like and sounding like no other band I know of. They've been around since the seventies but their most recent album came out in 2002. Smile
 I am taking about bands that came out after 1979. 

Hi,

In general, almost none of the new bands around 1979 and AFTER, were not, and mostly are not considered "progressive" and most of them fit in various definitions related to "progressive".

Progressive, NEVER DIED ... and you might consider that the arts, around the world NEVER DIE, and they continue on ... regardless of what specifically they are. Film didn't die in 1979. Literature didn't die in 1979. And music, certainly, did not die in 1979 ... although how they are defined these days, would not be anywhere near the original "progressive.

What died, specially in America, was that the FM radio stations had just about all of them been bought out by the Corporate Raiders ... for a grand rape that took away all the independent and the many bands that came up in the 10/12 years BEFORE 1979. 

As you can see, by the many articles and discussions, many of these bands are getting more affection and comments than they ever did, and the chances are that they are even selling more than before, since now, it is easier to get the stuff ... all through the 70's, we had to drive to LA to get "IMPORTS" for a lot of music and I will venture to state that we helped keep all that music alive ... and the sad thing, is that the real issue is that folks lost the place that they were hearing all the new things, that got replaced by "classic rock" ... that we refuse to take down and hurt the stations that are controlled by the richest companies around in the USA ... and they are ... let's say ... sacred cows ... no one is gonna do anything about it!

It bothers me someone shouting around that it died ... what dies was a lot of our ears, that gave up a lot of music, except the top 5 or 10 that managed to get really well known ... thus making it harder for the "new bands" to make a new road ... I can only hope that you wake up to the story of the arts ... since the 60's ... and how the media spent to much time trying to kill it (in America specially) ... but they failed ... the bands might not be famous now, but they are recognized in just about all the progressive music sites. 

Where have you been? Ears shut down, perhaps?
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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

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I think I can make an accurate prediction about WHEN Progs will die though... 2040.  Our Huge CD collections will be in thrift stores next to the whipped Cream LPs. So will our 'Larks Tongue' T-shirts. Cuz most of us won't be here.  Some poor kid will be digging through the 1.99 CDs and think to himself... Who the F@ck is Samla mammas Mama?

Hi,

I don't know ... I think that a lot of the arts that we love, will survive and be appreciated, like a lot of famous composers have been ... Stravinsky never died, Beethoven never died, Mozart never died, Shakespeare never died ... and a lot of the music we love has a level of quality that belongs in that area, and I believe a lot of it will ... even with our humor in place.

What is weird is that we do not believe that anything that we hear today, will last a lot more than we will ever know, understand, or have any idea about. We simply do not know, and we are very poor about seeing the future, is more accurate than otherwise ... but the world of the arts ... always managed to survive, and there are a lot of smaller arts scenes that lasted a lot less and are remembered ... I was thinking that surrealism fits that ... you name 3 or 4 names and you are done. Beat poetry/literature is the same thing ... you name 3 or 4 folks and it's like there are no more, up to and including how Daevid Allen and Gilli Smyth actually fit in that realm so beautifully ... 

I don't want to state that most folks posting here don't know anything about the arts ... there are many that do, and a lot more than myself ... and they post regularly, and I appreciate the ability and touch they have. I do say, and proudly, that my generation stood up to be counted, and they deserve the kudos and appreciation that is ot always found or seen.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

For me, it's why I use "Prog" and "Progressive Music" in different ways. I would say many bands after 1980 or better yet 1990 are Prog, they have progressive tendencies and attributes, but are not progressive. Unlike bands from before this time period are Progressive, what they were doing was very experimental and expanded the normal rock music to include all the stuff we know to be prog.
Jazz, classical, fusion........ 
Me to. "Prog" is quite different from "Progressive.' Many Prog bands emulate or get inspired by the Progressive bands of the 70s. Ultimately, if I like the music and enjoy listening to it, and I don't care for the label it's been given. That being said, my top favorite artists are from the Classic era of Progressive music. 
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