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Hell, basically all of music died when the 70's did....... no nostalgia clouding my memory here either, under 30 years old and can still recognize that music stopped being about music when the 80's began

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I agree that King Crimsons pre Belew era are Prog landmark albums. Yes and Genesis, ELP, gentle giant, moody blues, Hawkwind.

There is just too much good Prog out there to choose from nowadays. 25-30 years ago everyone jumped on PTREE and TOOL styled metal mix and have been imitating ever since. it’s hard to pick out the real NEW styles but they are out there. Some of the most interesting new stuff is hot for a minute only to be replaced by the next in line. Like Real Estate, I think the market is saturated with product … not enough buyers.

Our generation saw the best of it in huge arenas, with big record deals and larger than life bands. We had FM radio to drag us in. Cool bigass stereo systems to play it on. It was really something. You could see BOC and ELP for 8.50 and a screaming light show. It was the best of times. I like porcupine tree, the music is good. The subject matter is sufferingly psychologically pathetic ,and that was interesting too… for a minute. It was imitated to death. Still is after 25 years. Kind of a downer.
What I hear mostly today (in Prog) is based on 6 past styles…
Porcupine tree
King crimson
Tool
Radiohead
Yes
Tangerine dream
Ask any Gynecologist… even the best things become mundane after overexposure. But somehow King Crimson and Yes have managed to enjoy repeated plays for a long long time.

My opinion today… could change after another beer.



Edited by Valdez - June 09 2024 at 23:05
https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024

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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

Whether anyone likes it or not... The big three in this order

King Crimson  Pink Floyd
YES
Genesis

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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

So no prog at all before ITCOTCK? Really? No, I don't really agree with that I'm afraid. KC is in my top 10 (maybe even top 5) but not my favorite. 
 Well, I see the Nice, Floyd, The Moodies Blues, Traffic, Zappa had debut albums in 1967!, however was that prog? in my humble opinion I don't think so!! that was a mix o psychedelia music, avant garde , fusion? acid rock? O whatever it was called?.
Crimson made the first real prog rock album with all the correct ingredients

So what are the correct ingredients?! Confused


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Yeah, Fripp and his everchanging King Crimson moved on and evolved into something different. Everyone knows. You don't seem to actually read what I've writen before you reply with something of little relevance to the point I'm trying to get across - so now it's
time for me to move on as well.


That's Svetonio for you!

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ufff alot answer!!!!! thanks!!!!!

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Originally posted by Gordy Gordy wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Yeah, Fripp and his everchanging King Crimson moved on and evolved into something different. Everyone knows. You don't seem to actually read what I've writen before you reply with something of little relevance to the point I'm trying to get across - so now it's
time for me to move on as well.


That's Svetonio for you!

I don't think that's who it is. He might be on here somewhere but not here (imo). 
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Camel!! Yes!! I believe their debut album is one of the best amongst their prog peers of the late 60's and early to mid 70's. Unfortunately not on any streaming services so I'm not sure what their opinion of the record is..... but nevertheless it is in constant rotation on my record player. 
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Originally posted by ProgSynonym ProgSynonym wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by ProgSynonym ProgSynonym wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^I've owned that one for decades as well and yes it's a stronger contender than USA. Beautiful album. But while the sound is just right, all the songs are relatively short and underdeveloped (as compared to ambitious prog compositions) so for me another building block, like early Moody Blues, Procol Harum, Zappa, Deep Purple and many more. In the Court... is simply a differnt beast all together (imo). Everything that would become 1970's Prog Rock can be found there. A musical revolution of sorts. Like Bitches Brew was for Jaz Rock Fusion (although there's albums released before, that paved way for it)
Yo dawg, if you’re lookin’ for some more tunes from the groovy era of progressive rock, I’d suggest you check out 'Ars Longa Vita Brevis' by The Nice. Man, this album from ‘68 is a total vibe for all you music lovers out there, especially if you dig those albums from the early phase of prog-rock. Yo, grab your headphones and get ready to vibe to those sick tunes by The Nice, man! Buckle up for a gnarly journey through the history of progressive music, dude!
'Ars Longa Vita Brevis,' droppin’ in ‘68, is like the OG of the sick sounds you’d hear in the Prog Rock scene of the ‘70s. This album came out a year before 'In the Court of the Crimson King' blew up, and it’s a total time capsule of musical genius and mind-blowing vibes.
The Nice’s 'Ars Longa Vita Brevis' is like a hidden treasure that set the stage for that signature Prog Rock sound. By vibin’ with this album, you’ll really get a feel for where this genre came from and how it evolved.



Yo dawg. If I wasn't already aware of The Nice I wouldn't (or shouldn't) be so self confident about knowing my stuff. Before you make another comeback with... oh I don't know something like 50 Foot Hose - Cauldron - maybe you should look up the meaning of the word calcify. You obviously don't have to agree with me, but I've listened to pretty much everything of relevance, and my opinion is based on an extensive knowledge of the era. Don't get me wrong, Ars Longa Vita Brevis is Progressive Rock, and I think of a lot of albums from 1966-1969 qualifies as such. But when I wrote:
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I do think that what "we" normally think of as classic Prog Rock was calcified with ITCOTCK.
...that's exactly what I mean by it. Compared to KC's debut, that The Nice album was a dead end. It's not the sound of what Prog Rock was to become. In the Court... is.
Bro, ‘In the Court of the Crimson King’ really sets that same vibe as what evolved into ‘In the Wake of Poseidon’, man. But already ‘Lizard’ is like on a whole different wave compared to ItCotCK and ItWoP, while on the other side of the proggy spectrum, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, along with a whole bunch of other keys-driven bands, just kept that groovy sound rolling from ‘68 with The Nice all the way through the late ‘70s, you dig?



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Originally posted by ProgSynonym ProgSynonym wrote:

Originally posted by GoodDay GoodDay wrote:

Hell, basically all of music died when the 70's did....... no nostalgia clouding my memory here either, under 30 years old and can still recognize that music stopped being about music when the 80's began
Hey there, dude! Gotta say, your take on music is like, totally gnarly but let's pump the brakes a bit and vibe on this together. Music is like this rad wave that keeps on rolling, man. The 70s were totally epic, no doubt about it - groovy tunes, killer vibes, and all that jazz-rock. But hey, just because the 70s were awesome doesn't mean progressive music died when they ended, nor that hippies disappeared. You just had to be on the right stuff, you dig?










I hear you for sure, but.... the rawness that is so strongly felt in early prog and psychedelic rock does not exist after the 70's, sadly. It's hard (if not impossible) to fake that authenticity and the overproduction of modern music is not only an insult to what music is supposed to be but also to my sensibilities and every other music lovers sensibilities. It's almost like the greed of the 80's seeped into our collective soul or psyche or whatever and destroyed us from the inside out... making 99% of us incapable of creating or appreciating art
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I still need new music. You can't invalidate anything just because it suits you. The progressive rock movement never ended and there is no supposed 'cut off' when it ground to a halt. I remember listening to IQ in the early 80's and realising it was more important to me that the flowery literary references of Genesis that never hit home. I needed something raw and visceral and relevant to my state of mind at the time. I also still listen to Marillion and tracks like Forgotten Songs and Fugazi are totally timeless. Sure the 80's mainstream scene was very plastic but the likes of Kate Bush and a few others were still making interesting music. Nowadays there is a helluva lot of great prog some coming from other countries adding their own distinct flavour and ideas. I will keep on listening and not even close to getting bored with music. If I'm some kind of a heathen incapable of appreciating art then so be it. I don't care!
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I still need new music. You can't invalidate anything just because it suits you. The progressive rock movement never ended and there is no supposed 'cut off' when it ground to a halt. I remember listening to IQ in the early 80's and realising it was more important to me that the flowery literary references of Genesis that never hit home. I needed something raw and visceral and relevant to my state of mind at the time. I also still listen to Marillion and tracks like Forgotten Songs and Fugazi are totally timeless. Sure the 80's mainstream scene was very plastic but the likes of Kate Bush and a few others were still making interesting music. Nowadays there is a helluva lot of great prog some coming from other countries adding their own distinct flavour and ideas. I will keep on listening and not even close to getting bored with music. If I'm some kind of a heathen incapable of appreciating art then so be it. I don't care!
The impressive thing about IQ is that they never really "copied Genesis". Not even on Tales from the Lush Attic. I won't deny the fact Peter Nicholls' vocal style was influenced by Peter Gabriel's inflections and "acting techniques". But he didn't force himself to mimic Gabe's "RP accent" when singing or his "goat vibrato". The aforementioned cliché's, believe or not, are what a lot of vocalists in Genesis "clone bands" copy and it always sounds so contrived. Examples: Simone Rossetti, Bernardo Lanzetti, Nacho Rodridgues, Nad Sylvan, Frédéric Jost (Neuschwanstein).

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Originally posted by ProgSynonym ProgSynonym wrote:

Dude, that whole thing about something being expired in the 80s when it comes to progressive music? Total myth, bro! There was some rad progressive music droppin’ in the 1980s, man! Ain’t no way anyone can front on that, dude! So many rad records dropped in the 80s!


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Originally posted by GoodDay GoodDay wrote:

I hear you for sure, but.... the rawness that is so strongly felt in early prog and psychedelic rock does not exist after the 70's, sadly. It's hard (if not impossible) to fake that authenticity and the overproduction of modern music is not only an insult to what music is supposed to be but also to my sensibilities and every other music lovers sensibilities. It's almost like the greed of the 80's seeped into our collective soul or psyche or whatever and destroyed us from the inside out... making 99% of us incapable of creating or appreciating art

So everyone who likes music you don't is not a music lover, or else their sensibilities would be just as upset as yours?

Any arbitrary cut off and claim of 'purity' / 'authenticity' will be flawed, it's not like Jan 1, 1980 rolled around (or any date for that matter) and a global switch was flipped that changed how everyone produced music. Trends come and go, some we like, some we don't, but music lovers the world over enjoy things that you don't and don't enjoy things that you do. Learning to appreciate different things in music makes you more of a music lover, imo, not less of one.
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PROGSYNONYM SAID :

"The rawness that is so strongly felt in early prog and psychedelic rock does not exist after the 70's, sadly. It's hard (if not impossible) to fake that authenticity and the overproduction of modern music is not only an insult to what music is supposed to be but also to my sensibilities and every other music lovers sensibilities. It's almost like the greed of the 80's seeped into our collective soul or psyche or whatever and destroyed us from the inside out."

This is a brilliant statement. I agree 80%.   There are some RAW straight-out bands scattered about though. 
https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024

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Originally posted by TheGazzardian TheGazzardian wrote:

Originally posted by GoodDay GoodDay wrote:

I hear you for sure, but.... the rawness that is so strongly felt in early prog and psychedelic rock does not exist after the 70's, sadly. It's hard (if not impossible) to fake that authenticity and the overproduction of modern music is not only an insult to what music is supposed to be but also to my sensibilities and every other music lovers sensibilities. It's almost like the greed of the 80's seeped into our collective soul or psyche or whatever and destroyed us from the inside out... making 99% of us incapable of creating or appreciating art

So everyone who likes music you don't is not a music lover, or else their sensibilities would be just as upset as yours?

Any arbitrary cut off and claim of 'purity' / 'authenticity' will be flawed, it's not like Jan 1, 1980 rolled around (or any date for that matter) and a global switch was flipped that changed how everyone produced music. Trends come and go, some we like, some we don't, but music lovers the world over enjoy things that you don't and don't enjoy things that you do. Learning to appreciate different things in music makes you more of a music lover, imo, not less of one.

You make very good points and I know that my opinion on music is a very biased and unpopular. To be fair, I don't think it was a "flip of a switch" per se, but more of a slow gradual loss of true artistry in music leading up to the 80's. I have some wacky theories....... Some involving David Riesman, some quite a bit more whimsical but I think to deny that there is less of an interest in true musicianship or music in general today is a bit out of touch though. Which is precisely where I find the lack of authenticity and purity. Of course you and I will never hear the same album exactly alike, I may be hearing things you are not!
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

So no prog at all before ITCOTCK? Really? No, I don't really agree with that I'm afraid. KC is in my top 10 (maybe even top 5) but not my favorite. 
 Well, I see the Nice, Floyd, The Moodies Blues, Traffic, Zappa had debut albums in 1967!, however was that prog? in my humble opinion I don't think so!! that was a mix o psychedelia music, avant garde , fusion? acid rock? O whatever it was called?.
Crimson made the first real prog rock album with all the correct ingredients

So what are the correct ingredients?! Confused

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