The Republican Thunderdome

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: RFK should learn about the benefits of gargling with salt water before he seriously considers throwing his hat in the ring. How can you be president when you sound worse than Harvey Fierstein.

Mocking disabilities … hardly a sound argument. I‘m against RFK jr. because of his asinine views on some topics.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: RFK should learn about the benefits of gargling with salt water before he seriously considers throwing his hat in the ring. How can you be president when you sound worse than Harvey Fierstein. Mocking disabilities … hardly a sound argument. I‘m against RFK jr. because of his asinine views on some topics.

He's a disgrace to his family's legacy.   John, Robert and Ed are rolling over in their graves.   But he'll pay for his idiocy at the polls.

I assume you are not a student of the Kennedys, so I'll keep it short.   I will say his work in environmental issues has been admirable---

He is anti-Vax as regards to Covid and anti-vaccine generally including those for children; He is a virulent conspiracy theorist even compared to those who believe his brothers were killed by conspiracy; He is a disinformation proponent; He has targeted many Democrats including Joe Biden and criticized Anthony Fauci at a time when those individuals could've used his support; Was found with & busted for with heroin in '82.   He has done many good things but at a time when U.S. politics could've benefitted from his influence & background, he instead played into Republican paranoia, helped spread the nonsense that people should not get vaccinated because some in big pharma would get rich (as if that was a secret).   

Politics aren't just what you've done, it's what you seem to have done and believe.   He did damage to the country when it needed as many rational, credible voices as it could get, and claims to have first hand knowledge that the CIA killed his uncle... something increasingly unlikely.   As a deep-student of the JFK assassination, the CIA's involvement is highly dubious and only adds to the public's confusion and misperception of that case.   Anyone who really understands CIA knows there are as many liberals as conservatives in the Agency and though a few retired CIA & Army officers may've been involved ~ Edward Lansdale, General Curtis LeMay, Charles & Earl Cabell ~ those men were key players in the confiscation of Nazi technology which JFK may've wanted to expose and share with the world, leading to his murder by a small group of, essentially, paranoid fascists.

Anyway, too much information, but suffice to say one doesn't say stupid stuff at at time when the Country is trying to fight off the utter ignorance of the Extreme Right-wing, helping to fan the flames of ignorance.

I could see how people get erroneous ideas by just reading articles written by others and not listening directly to what a person actually says.  For one example, every article a come across has, anti-vax JFK.  He is not anti-vax!  I’m not 100% anti-vax but I don’t think he goes far enough.  From actually listening to the man, this is what I gather his stance is.

 

1.      More transparency.  All available data on trials should be released so anyone can scrutinize it.  It shouldn’t take court orders for this.

2.      Utilizing real control groups. Testing a new vaccine against another vaccine that was deemed as safe does not render a control group.  Removing just the viral property from a vaccine is not a real control group study.

3.      More in depth with larger control group studies.

4.      Accountability

5.      Freedom of choice

CosmicVibration wrote: I could see how people get erroneous ideas by just reading articles written by others and not listening directly to what a person actually says.   For one example, every article a come across has, anti-vax JFK.   He is not anti-vax!   I’m not 100% anti-vax but I don’t think he goes far enough.    From actually listening to the man, this is what I gather his stance is. More transparency.   All available data on trials should be released so anyone can scrutinize it.   It shouldn’t take court orders for this. Utilizing real control groups. Testing a new vaccine against another vaccine that was deemed as safe does not render a control group.   Removing just the viral property from a vaccine is not a real control group study.

So those who don't like RFK Jr. are simply reading articles, that we don't watch & listen to what he says ?   Sorry, that's wishful thinking (and not a little presumptuous).   It's not just that he's anti-Covid vax, he's largely anti-vax universally.   In other words he doesn't think kids should be vaccinated against Meningitis, Measles/Mumps, Hepatitis, Polio, and many others.   That is inexcusable, and leads one to believe you agree with this anti-child stance.

But that's just one eyebrow-raising aspect of RFK's positions.   As I said in my previous post ~ which you seem to have either mostly ignored or are cherrypicking ~ he is also a conspiracy theorist in the worst way, and apparently was a heroin addict.   BTW, look into cleaning up your repliable posts, they're a mess and almost impossible to quote.   Just saying.




Edited by Atavachron - June 03 2024 at 15:32

Transparency and freedom of choice somehow leads to an inexcusable anti-child stance..

Where I differ from JFK is utilizing larger group studies.  In the first place, what parent in their right mind would offer up their child as a guinea pig? I would consider this as an anti-child stance. I’m also against brutally testing on animals.  I would opt that humanity compiles everything known about the immune system and run simulations. Only then, if proven safe, administer to live forms.

and hence the world is in the wonderful shape it's in..

The reality is this..

Ask any good immunologist this one question.  What does the world know thus far about the human immune system?  Grading on a scale from pre-school level to college level.  College level would be that we know everything there is to know; the immune system is completely figured out.

I bet the average answer would be 1^st or 2^nd grade. So, we have 1^st graders playing with fire and the rest of us being in pre-school are looking up to them.  This is actually not the problem; after all, preschoolers should look up to those in first grade.  The problem is that the 1^st graders are overrun by bullies. The tyrants don’t care if they hurt you as long as they get your lunch money.  This was very apparent during our current crises when not all the 1^st graders had equal voice; consensus was not an option.