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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

For me, definitely Presto. That was when Rush were getting back into more guitar-driven (and of course, less synth-driven) music, and to me they sounded pretty rusty on that one. (Possible) hot take, but I think Roll the Bones is a vastly superior version of what they attempted on Presto -- despite a pretty weak production job. With the exception of maybe 2 or 3 songs (I LOVE Available Light), the tracklist of Presto just doesn't stick out to me much 


I disagree with regard to "vastly." RTB is a bit more consistent than Presto, but:

1 – The best song on Presto ("Show Don't Tell") is better than any song on RTB by a country mile. In lieu of spinning their wheels, they etched a line between new and familiar with that song, "Chain Lightning," "Scars" and "Available Light."

2 – RTB's last song is one of the worst they ever recorded, while others like "The Big Wheel" and "Neurotica" are serviceable if underwhelming (and, yes, the production feels plasticky).

(IMVHO, of course.)


I agree that You Bet Your Life is pretty bad but not as bad as Out of the Cradle on Vapor Trails. It's the only Rush song that I've never been able to get even to the point of rating it as tolerable.

I don't agree that Show Don't Tell is better than Dreamline. Dreamline is a killer tune. the rest of RTB, not so much. There is just so much "meh" about RTB. 


I know most people think "Dreamline" is better, mainly because it's uptempo. I like it, I just don't think it's as well-crafted. I like the overall feel of "Show Don't Tell," not to mention its nifty bass solo and great chorus.

And, just to illustrate how we hear everything differently, I think there are no bad songs on Vapor Trails. It's my favorite album after Power Windows.

The next one where I feel there are a few songs that don't do much if anything for me is Snakes & Arrows. "Far Cry" is cool, and the instrumentals are fantastic. But "Faithless" is pure filler. "The Larger Bowl" and "Bravest Face" are okay, but if we remove the aforementioned, I'd probably never return to it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2024 at 07:36
I'm pretty sure I heard them all at least once, even the ones I hated (late 80's) and loather (early 90's).

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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Anything after Hemispheres felt like Rush for people that don't like Rush. 

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I'd say that as well, but there are still some valid stuff on PW and MP. 
Signals bores the hell out of me, but it's still ok-sounding

Where the trouble really starts is with GUP and PW, but it (the music, not the sonics) does get steadily worse with every new album until TFE.
 
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Actually the spewing of water through the opened windows and into your rear is better than TFE and VP sonic values, Both are catastrophic, but the music is rich.

Other than that, the last two are OK (but no more), but I prefer S&A to CA, so I'd say that S&A is their best since Moving Pictures, but there is miles between them.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Have we become so bored with Rush so that we're now discussing their worst albums? LOL

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

For me, definitely Presto. That was when Rush were getting back into more guitar-driven (and of course, less synth-driven) music, and to me they sounded pretty rusty on that one. (Possible) hot take, but I think Roll the Bones is a vastly superior version of what they attempted on Presto -- despite a pretty weak production job. With the exception of maybe 2 or 3 songs (I LOVE Available Light), the tracklist of Presto just doesn't stick out to me much 


I disagree with regard to "vastly." RTB is a bit more consistent than Presto, but:

1 – The best song on Presto ("Show Don't Tell") is better than any song on RTB by a country mile. In lieu of spinning their wheels, they etched a line between new and familiar with that song, "Chain Lightning," "Scars" and "Available Light."

2 – RTB's last song is one of the worst they ever recorded, while others like "The Big Wheel" and "Neurotica" are serviceable if underwhelming (and, yes, the production feels plasticky).

(IMVHO, of course.)

I agree that You Bet Your Life is pretty bad but not as bad as Out of the Cradle on Vapor Trails. It's the only Rush song that I've never been able to get even to the point of rating it as tolerable.

I don't agree that Show Don't Tell is better than Dreamline. Dreamline is a killer tune. the rest of RTB, not so much. There is just so much "meh" about RTB. 


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Have we become so bored with Rush so that we're now discussing their worst albums? LOL
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Not listened to Presto in full in many years, but my favourite was "Superconductor".
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

For me, definitely Presto. That was when Rush were getting back into more guitar-driven (and of course, less synth-driven) music, and to me they sounded pretty rusty on that one. (Possible) hot take, but I think Roll the Bones is a vastly superior version of what they attempted on Presto -- despite a pretty weak production job. With the exception of maybe 2 or 3 songs (I LOVE Available Light), the tracklist of Presto just doesn't stick out to me much 


I disagree with regard to "vastly." RTB is a bit more consistent than Presto, but:

1 – The best song on Presto ("Show Don't Tell") is better than any song on RTB by a country mile. In lieu of spinning their wheels, they etched a line between new and familiar with that song, "Chain Lightning," "Scars" and "Available Light."

2 – RTB's last song is one of the worst they ever recorded, while others like "The Big Wheel" and "Neurotica" are serviceable if underwhelming (and, yes, the production feels plasticky).

(IMVHO, of course.)
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For me, definitely Presto. That was when Rush were getting back into more guitar-driven (and of course, less synth-driven) music, and to me they sounded pretty rusty on that one. (Possible) hot take, but I think Roll the Bones is a vastly superior version of what they attempted on Presto -- despite a pretty weak production job. With the exception of maybe 2 or 3 songs (I LOVE Available Light), the tracklist of Presto just doesn't stick out to me much 
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Clockwork Angels because it was the last Rush album they recorded and that makes me sad.
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I'll stick with my crack pipe then because I probably prefer RTB over T4E. T4E has grown on me a bit over time though which is something I can't really say about VT which I still struggle with. My vote for worst Rush album probably goes to VT.
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Test For Echo is very uneven but lower rated than Roll The Bones?? I think some people need to step away from the crack pipe.

Oh, and Driven live rocks! Normally I prefer studio versions of songs but this is a clear exception.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

^I don't have any problem with Rush being the lowest rated. I never listen to it. (For that matter, I never listen to FbN, either.)

However, T4E is better than Roll the Bones. Here's why. (I'm going to cheat and post a live performance. )


I dont listen  to either early lp either and Echo might be better than Bones to some.

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^I don't have any problem with Rush being the lowest rated. I never listen to it. (For that matter, I never listen to FbN, either.)

However, T4E is better than Roll the Bones. Here's why. (I'm going to cheat and post a live performance. )


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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Since the thread is still ongoing I'll toss this out.....the lowest rating on PA is Test For Echo at 2.89 with Rush-ST at 2.95.
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Since the thread is still ongoing I'll toss this out.....the lowest rating on PA is Test For Echo at 2.89 with Rush-ST at 2.95.
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I remember when HYF first came out, not too long after I saw Powerwindows in Costa Mesa. I remember thinking, "A new album? Already??" I was excited about it. My friend bought the CD and we had a listen. Force Ten rocked! Cool!! This is gonna be awesome! Time Stand Still was great, too. But then,....the album took a nosedive. I remember we were sitting there laughing at it after a few more songs. The lyrics were so hokey and cliche. Mission was the song. We turned it off. I still can't get through that album. Hands down the worst Rush album.


I hope you eventually finished the album, as the song that follows "Mission" is "Turn the Page," which quite a few Rush fans rate as the album's best. The live versions are usually better since the bassline is more audible (HYF's production wasn't as kind to Geddy's bass as the albums immediately before it).

Originally posted by Ziggy C Ziggy C wrote:

Up to that point, pretty much every album had my attention. Only COS seemed weak. But I regained faith in the band with Presto, an album that many here seem down on.


Presto (which I played a lot when it was new) is a bit uneven, but has some killer songs, like "Show Don't Tell" (an honest-to-goodness rock song with a bass solo got FM airtime), "Chain Lightning," "Scars," "Available Light." But overall a solid Rush album.

Roll the Bones is a big step down and hasn't aged as well, at least not for me. But they recovered brilliantly with Counterparts. And that was a great concert, too.


Originally posted by Ziggy C Ziggy C wrote:

That's OK. The thing about Rush is that they were certainly not "one-note." Their heavy reliance on synths was a bit challenging. But their guitar-heavy albums really pump.

Signals remains my favorite Rush album of all time.


Their heavy reliance on synths was challenging but your favorite album is Signals?

(Mine was Signals, too, for many years. It's now Grace Under Pressure.)


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I remember when HYF first came out, not too long after I saw Powerwindows in Costa Mesa. I remember thinking, "A new album? Already??" I was excited about it. My friend bought the CD and we had a listen. Force Ten rocked! Cool!! This is gonna be awesome! Time Stand Still was great, too. But then,....the album took a nosedive. I remember we were sitting there laughing at it after a few more songs. The lyrics were so hokey and cliche. Mission was the song. We turned it off. I still can't get through that album. Hands down the worst Rush album. 

Up to that point, pretty much every album had my attention. Only COS seemed weak. But I regained faith in the band with Presto, an album that many here seem down on. That's OK. The thing about Rush is that they were certainly not "one-note." Their heavy reliance on synths was a bit challenging. But their guitar-heavy albums really pump.

Signals remains my favorite Rush album of all time. 
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

It was a lot more than that (they were getting that bogus 'synth-band' critique back for Signals and even Pictures)--- It was clear something severe and quite disruptive had happened. And of course much had indeed occurred with Terry Brown, the commercial expectations of the time, even the image the band had of itself.   Just look at the band photo for that record and it's like "Yeesh-- what the hell happened, boys?!"
Around the time of Grace Under Pressure, there were continuous rumors about the band taking a "solo album sabbatical" due to all of the "record biz" frustrations they were dealing with at that time. No, they didn't hate each other, nor were they considering breaking up, but all three members also had growing kids and were concerned that the "album - tour - album - tour" cycle was becoming too hard on their families. So with all the "nuclear war" headlines, the record biz issues, and the personal issues, it's no wonder the resulting album is really kind of a downer and more difficult to listen to than the other albums from that same decade.

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The ideas were flowing again on Counterparts.
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On Presto 'the Heavy Prog Midi Orchestra' Rush had run out of ideas, the chemistry was gone, Rush started to sound boring, who had expected that with albums like A Farewell To Kings, Moving Pictures and Power Windows ...?!
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