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Posted: April 11 2024 at 02:28 |
^8 here.
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 02:37 |
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Whenever a new Floyd album was announced it was always part of the excitement to speculate what the cover art would be (besides the musical content of course) - I was always pleasantly astonished... well until the release of The Wall and its very stark cover art. |
It fits with the concept. Also the inside drawings are great. |
Why would "The Wall" sleeve design be considered exceptional rather than mediocre? There is nothing so special that I, for one, can see on that cover. Fits the concept [which, to be honest, I find more pathetic than mind-bending] and the title? Alright, but then, isn't that too predictable? or it's great only due to its gatefold illustrations? Well, I've seen much better cartoon-like illustrations on albums that received incomparably less attention.
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 02:41 |
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Surprisingly good release from 2023. This was my blurb on first listen: "The ugly cover aside, this is a very nice and eclectic prog rock release, reasonably innovative and at the same time laid-back and comfy. Borderline Zappa at times!"
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In my humble opinion, that's a rather good design (featuring nicely designed letters) in the vein of the 'ugly is beautiful' aesthetic, to which the amazing ItCotCK cover painting belongs as well.
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 02:42 |
Moyan wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Floydoid wrote:
Whenever a new Floyd album was announced it was always part of the excitement to speculate what the cover art would be (besides the musical content of course) - I was always pleasantly astonished... well until the release of The Wall and its very stark cover art. |
It fits with the concept. Also the inside drawings are great. | Why would "The Wall" sleeve design be considered exceptional rather than mediocre? There is nothing so special that I, for one, can see on that cover. Fits the concept [which, to be honest, I find more pathetic than mind-bending] and the title? Alright, but then, isn't that too predictable? or it's great only due to its gatefold illustrations? Well, I've seen much better cartoon-like illustrations on albums that received incomparably less attention.
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I never said the sleeve design is exceptional. If you think the albums cover, sleeve and inside are pathetic, fine, that's your opinion, you are entitled to that.
I like the whole thing, I don't find it mediocre, that's all I said.
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 02:45 |
Moyan wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Surprisingly good release from 2023. This was my blurb on first listen: "The ugly cover aside, this is a very nice and eclectic prog rock release, reasonably innovative and at the same time laid-back and comfy. Borderline Zappa at times!"
| In my humble opinion, that's a rather good design (featuring nicely designed letters) in the vein of the 'ugly is beautiful' aesthetic, to which the amazing ItCotCK cover painting belongs as well. |
Of course there's no arguing taste - but the cover is freaking me out a little bit, which is fine in general, but in this case I don't think it matches the music, which is nowhere near as extreme.
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 02:48 |
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I like the whole thing [The Wall], I don't find it mediocre, that's all I said. |
It's always funny when someone comes along and trashes a legitimate masterpiece. It's fine to say "it's not for me", but to call it "mediocre" is simply revealing a lack of experience and/or objectivity, with a little bit of hubris on top.
As Wikipedia puts it: "The Wall is one of the best-known concept albums. With over 30 million copies sold, it is the second best-selling album in the band's catalogue (behind 1973's The Dark Side of the Moon), the best selling double-album of all time, and one of the best-selling albums of all time overall."
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 02:53 |
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I like the whole thing [The Wall], I don't find it mediocre, that's all I said. |
It's always funny when someone comes along and trashes a legitimate masterpiece. It's fine to say "it's not for me", but to call it "mediocre" is simply revealing a lack of experience and/or objectivity, with a little bit of hubris on top.
As Wikipedia puts it: "The Wall is one of the best-known concept albums. With over 30 million copies sold, it is the second best-selling album in the band's catalogue (behind 1973's The Dark Side of the Moon), the best selling double-album of all time, and one of the best-selling albums of all time overall." |
I was only talking about the art-work.
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 02:56 |
Cristi wrote:
I never said the sleeve design is exceptional. |
You said it wasn't mediocre. Someone would assume that you think that "The Wall" sleeve design is something more than mediocre; let's say "exceptional."
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"The Wall" sleeve design would go well with a thread headed "A mediocre cover art of a mediocre yet terribly overrated album." |
I don't think the cover art is bad or mediocre, |
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 02:58 |
Cristi wrote:
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Cristi wrote:
I like the whole thing [The Wall], I don't find it mediocre, that's all I said. |
It's always funny when someone comes along and trashes a legitimate masterpiece. It's fine to say "it's not for me", but to call it "mediocre" is simply revealing a lack of experience and/or objectivity, with a little bit of hubris on top.
As Wikipedia puts it: "The Wall is one of the best-known concept albums. With over 30 million copies sold, it is the second best-selling album in the band's catalogue (behind 1973's The Dark Side of the Moon), the best selling double-album of all time, and one of the best-selling albums of all time overall." |
I was only talking about the art-work.
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I was referring to Moyan, who implied that The Wall was a mediocre record.
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 02:59 |
Moyan wrote:
Cristi wrote:
I never said the sleeve design is exceptional. | You said it wasn't mediocre. Someone would assume that you think that "The Wall" sleeve design is something more than mediocre; let's say "exceptional."
Cristi wrote:
Moyan wrote:
"The Wall" sleeve design would go well with a thread headed "A mediocre cover art of a mediocre yet terribly overrated album." |
I don't think the cover art is bad or mediocre, |
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There's a long way between "not mediocre" and "exceptional".
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 03:02 |
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Cristi wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Cristi wrote:
I like the whole thing [The Wall], I don't find it mediocre, that's all I said. |
It's always funny when someone comes along and trashes a legitimate masterpiece. It's fine to say "it's not for me", but to call it "mediocre" is simply revealing a lack of experience and/or objectivity, with a little bit of hubris on top.
As Wikipedia puts it: "The Wall is one of the best-known concept albums. With over 30 million copies sold, it is the second best-selling album in the band's catalogue (behind 1973's The Dark Side of the Moon), the best selling double-album of all time, and one of the best-selling albums of all time overall." |
I was only talking about the art-work. |
I was referring to Moyan, who implied that The Wall was a mediocre record. |
You quoted me though, that was confusing.
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 03:03 |
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I was only talking about the art-work. |
Actually, you agreed with me that the album is overrated:
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 03:06 |
Cristi wrote:
Moyan wrote:
Cristi wrote:
I never said the sleeve design is exceptional. | You said it wasn't mediocre. Someone would assume that you think that "The Wall" sleeve design is something more than mediocre; let's say "exceptional."
Cristi wrote:
Moyan wrote:
"The Wall" sleeve design would go well with a thread headed "A mediocre cover art of a mediocre yet terribly overrated album." |
I don't think the cover art is bad or mediocre, |
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There's a long way between "not mediocre" and "exceptional".
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Okay, but then what level above mediocre is that, according to you?
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 03:07 |
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I was only talking about the art-work. | Actually, you agreed with me that the album is overrated:
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Yes, I agreed the album was overrated, but disagreed the art-work is mediocre and bad.
OK, let's stop here, I don't see the point of arguing. You dislike the art-work, I like it. So be it. I'm fine with that.
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 03:09 |
Moyan wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Moyan wrote:
Cristi wrote:
I never said the sleeve design is exceptional. | You said it wasn't mediocre. Someone would assume that you think that "The Wall" sleeve design is something more than mediocre; let's say "exceptional."
Cristi wrote:
Moyan wrote:
"The Wall" sleeve design would go well with a thread headed "A mediocre cover art of a mediocre yet terribly overrated album." |
I don't think the cover art is bad or mediocre, |
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There's a long way between "not mediocre" and "exceptional".
| Okay, but then what level above mediocre is that, according to you? |
You surely like to argue. How about "good"? Is it ok that i think it's "good". May I have that?!
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 03:16 |
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It's always funny when someone comes along and trashes a legitimate masterpiece. It's fine to say "it's not for me", but to call it "mediocre" is simply revealing a lack of experience and/or objectivity, with a little bit of hubris on top.
As Wikipedia puts it: "The Wall is one of the best-known concept albums. With over 30 million copies sold, it is the second best-selling album in the band's catalogue (behind 1973's The Dark Side of the Moon), the best selling double-album of all time, and one of the best-selling albums of all time overall." |
Aside from the disco-music-based song that was (is) the biggest hit from the album, "The Wall" has too many theatrical moments for Pink Floyd, IMO.
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 08:33 |
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^ The Wall is a masterpiece, I'm rarely getting back to it these days solely because there is so much music to listen to. Which is not a bad problem to have | +1
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 14:51 |
I'm listening to this now. The music is good but the cover leaves a lot to be desired.
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 15:33 |
Moyan wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
It's always funny when someone comes along and trashes a legitimate masterpiece. It's fine to say "it's not for me", but to call it "mediocre" is simply revealing a lack of experience and/or objectivity, with a little bit of hubris on top.
As Wikipedia puts it: "The Wall is one of the best-known concept albums. With over 30 million copies sold, it is the second best-selling album in the band's catalogue (behind 1973's The Dark Side of the Moon), the best selling double-album of all time, and one of the best-selling albums of all time overall." | Aside from the disco-music-based song that was (is) the biggest hit from the album, "The Wall" has too many theatrical moments for Pink Floyd, IMO.
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It's a rock opera. It's supposed to be theatrical. I just listened to it for the first time in years. It maintains my 5 star rating.
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 17:20 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Moyan wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
It's always funny when someone comes along and trashes a legitimate masterpiece. It's fine to say "it's not for me", but to call it "mediocre" is simply revealing a lack of experience and/or objectivity, with a little bit of hubris on top.
As Wikipedia puts it: "The Wall is one of the best-known concept albums. With over 30 million copies sold, it is the second best-selling album in the band's catalogue (behind 1973's The Dark Side of the Moon), the best selling double-album of all time, and one of the best-selling albums of all time overall." | Aside from the disco-music-based song that was (is) the biggest hit from the album, "The Wall" has too many theatrical moments for Pink Floyd, IMO.
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It's a rock opera. It's supposed to be theatrical. I just listened to it for the first time in years. It maintains my 5 star rating.
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I'm not sure myself. Waters was deadly serious at the time when interviewed and discussing it and didn't present it this way. I was a massive fan of it at the time and still regard it as important to me personally in helping me through a time that was not easy. However it hasn't aged well to my ears and now seems a country mile behind Dark Side Of The Moon or Animals
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