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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21554 |
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^ Nice, you're almost into name-calling territory.
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15139 |
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Given the amount of polemic in some of your postings you react very touchily if somebody doesn't play 100% nice with you. It's a controversial exchange and some fun must be allowed. OK fair enough, my wording puts you in a box together with some people from whom I've heard similar things from which I have seen this kind of behaviour, and you may not want to be in that box. But then I didn't say that it was you personally who did this. Name calling is not my game and you can end whenever you want. The point is, "the system" doesn't apparently control information enough that you can't hear and see people complaining about "the system" all over the place.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21554 |
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^ I didn't ... but if thinking it did made your day, it shows me what kind of person you are. That does not make my day (I don't thrive on negativity), but it validates some of my assumptions.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65584 |
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Of course it makes your day--- but then, you took this statement personally, which makes mine. Edited by Atavachron - March 20 2024 at 02:48 |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21554 |
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Twisting my words ... well, thanks for engaging, but I'll quit before we get to the name-calling.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21554 |
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It's so funny to see posts like this along with that Kennedy quote. Always makes my day
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65584 |
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"It shoots situations instead of bullets, propelled by data processing, instead of chemical reaction(explosion), originating from bits of data instead of grains of gunpowder, from a computer instead of a gun, operated by a computer programmer intead of a marksman, under the orders of a banking magnate instead of a military general.
It makes no obvious explosive noises, causes no obvious physical or mental injuries, and does not obviously interfere with anyone's daily social life". As someone who's been researching conspiracy theories much of my life, I'd point out any source taking information & cues from Behold a Pale Horse should be taken with a grain of salt, Bill Cooper was a well-intentioned but disturbed man who insisted John Kennedy was shot by his limousine driver. If you're gonna get into global conspiracies, post-war German Fascists are far more likely candidates--- I mean if you're an International Criminal Network intent on terrorizing and ruling the World, using methods that are "causing no obvious physical or mental injuries and does not interfere with anyone's daily social life", then you're failing badly. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15342 |
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This is a music site. I just want to let people know these things exist. It's not the place for endless links and debates about this stuff. If my words resonate with anyone then they will seek these things out and come to their own conclusions. I'm just telling you that what i have researched and what i have read as patents, as legislation, as law DOES correspond to much of what that report prognosticated decades ago. For those who delve into these conspiracy facts, there is really no debate about the veracity of it all. Only those who have not yet familiarized themselves with it will display skepticism. I'm the most skeptical of all needing 100% tangible evidence for anything to fully believe it and in this case i've seen the goods. You should really spend more time watching the lectures of top scientists of DARPA and other intelligence agencies explaining these things in excruciating detail and revealing how they subtly include many things in earmarks that are in legislation. By only reading the odd thing or two you're not amassing the bulk of the bigger picture. If everyone ignores all of this then they can kiss anything remotely "democratic" goodbye. We have been warned since the 50s about all of this so this is hardly anything new. BTW the bulk of these researchers are well in their 70s and 80s. Instead
of burning out on drugs in the 60s they actually went to work and
researched the wealth of suppressed knowledge out there. Recommended book that does an excellent job of explaining all this with patents, footnotes and references beyond your wildest dreams. All verifiable and easily tracked down through patents and public records. (function(){if (!document.body) return;var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'86710d41096367ad',t:'MTcxMDg4ODk0NC45MTkwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium none; visibility: ;" width="1" height="1">
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65584 |
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^ You're not blind, just matured & thoughtful. Just because a conspiracy theory exists doesn't mean it's real. And just because it may be real doesn't mean it's functional.
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15139 |
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Quite a number of things mentioned there are clearly not happening, not by 1979, not now. But OK, it may be I'm too blind and manipulated myself to see them. The other stuff, fair enough, I know you believe this and you have mentioned your long research on this stuff often enough. And I can only encourage you to go on posting links and stuff because as I wrote earlier, I do read the odd thing and build my own opinion. Which may differ from yours though
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15139 |
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Also read this, I must have too much time today. Actually to me it doesn't shout out that the situation is particularly bad now compared to the past. OK there are some reasonably new symptoms (social media), but then there is also some progress mentioned, and how some things were even worse in the past. Sad to see Caroline Lucas go, unsurprisingly (given my political leanings) I always liked her, and she says a few generally critical things, but even those apply by and large as much to the past as to the present.
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15342 |
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It was an insider's document that was leaked to the public in 1979. They don't need to convince themselves. It's a blueprint for a game plan, not a court document. Not only is it all doable, they are actually rolling it out. Things like cell phones and computers actually are dual use technologies that can be weaponized if necessary. The targeting of individuals is silent and untraceable. Frequencies have long been known to be beneficial or destructive depending on the resonance. They have basically hacked our biology and weaponized commonly available technologies to stifle true human advancement which means democracy or the will of the people cannot exist while these technologies can alter the results of elections, target political leaders and coercing them into compliance and to keep us sick and unhealthy simply by targeting us with frequencies that simulate disease. All of this is quite provable simply by reading the hundreds of patents that have emerged since at least the 1950s. There are ways to counteract the effects of these nefarious plans but it's up to every individual to comprehend the magnitude and protect him / herself accordingly. It's always been the few wanting to control the many. Only the games and sophistication has changed. (function(){if (!document.body) return;var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'8670bf86fabb15d4',t:'MTcxMDg4NTc2MS4yMjYwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium none; visibility: ;" width="1" height="1">
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15139 |
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Nothing in the document provides any evidence that what is claimed to be intended there is actually doable, and if they want to start from these formulae, then good luck to them, I can still sleep well.
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The definition of conspiracy theory is pretty clear. If you say you think there's a conspiracy, it's a conspiracy theory, what else? If you don't, then it's not. Are you? Of course there may be real conspiracies, so being a conspiracy theory doesn't make it wrong in itself. I personally am not interested in dismissing anything as "conspiracy theory". I need some better reasons to dismiss something (like understanding the math, what it says and what it doesn't say in the document linked by siLLy puPPy). Other than that, the view on these things may be different from the position of people who have actively, within the system, done politics, and I know a few of them (even though personally I haven't done much more than peeking in from the outside a bit). Now my take on this is rather ambiguous thinking that the system is full of people with different motivations including personal narcissism, taking advantage, manipulation, but also personal values (if I agree with them or not) and the honest drive to achieve something or at least represent the voters. I don't think a conspiracy is needed to explain corruption and dysfunctionality, as these things pop up even on the most marginal occasions where people come together and have to negotiate something political. As I said before, it is totally clear that voting doesn't achieve much. Being voted for can achieve more and does so on occasion, but it also comes with lots of potential for being frustrated and corrupted. And of course some players will try their best to take advantage, and they will organise themselves, so there are for sure conspiracies to be found, except that I believe that there will be human political games all the way up, with alliances breaking up and regrouping, treason, disorganisation and failure, and new conspiracies against the conspirators, besides the odd success. As I wrote, for me democracy is a gradual thing, there is no "true ideal democracy" to be categorically distinguished from what we have. Even where democracy is organised at a harmless level where only very local decisions are made very directly by the people, you can already see all the human traits that make democracy such a mess (and in fact make all forms of governance a mess although when it just comes to being less messy, dictatorship may in fact be ahead of democracy unless the dictator themselves are messy, for which there are of course many examples). So I'm fine with much criticism of Western democracy and for sure I'm not going to deny that some rich global players have far too much power. I also like the idea that direct voting on all kinds of thing such as in Switzerland would be nice, although the Swiss system in many respects shows all the signs of corruption that you find in other democracies. But I doubt that we will see a democracy that is democratic and nice enough for you to actually call it a democracy, not because some people behind the scenes wouldn't allow it (not denying that there may be some who'd like to stop it), also because people would quickly mess it up anyway.
Yeah well, I hear this all the time, and all the time, strangely, I hear people complain that they are not allowed to say what they are just saying. ![]() I haven't been censored by "the system" yet, and I do education (and I have some views that some don't like). But then maybe what I say is so useful for "the system" that it doesn't see any reason in stopping me, or maybe I'm just one of the controllers myself, who knows?
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^ that stuff gets way more complex than that basic summary document. While the mathematics are above my pay grade, the gist of the entire document is pretty much the playbook for global hegemony. Of course wars depend on changing strategies when needed and i'm sure there have been many alterings of plans over the decades but it's a bonafide blueprint of the intentions of those who think they were created to rule us going through with the proper mechanisms to carry it all to fruition. Most people of the planet still do not realize that a global elite has indeed declared war on the 99% and are escalating their methodologies because of the fact many of us have caught on to what's goin' down. (function(){if (!document.body) return;var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'8670846be80acf51',t:'MTcxMDg4MzM0MC4yNDgwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium none; visibility: ;" width="1" height="1">
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15139 |
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Thanks for linking this. I have some respect for the person who wrote this. It is pretty well thought through. The sandpit mathematical equations give it away though. (It is entertaining to spot some more bizarrities here and there, but most of them are probably OK for doing the intended job.)
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21554 |
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Not sure. We would need to enforce a lot more transparency. We would have to stop the many forms of legalized corruption that are common today (lobbyism, "revolving doors" schemes, immunity from prosecution etc.). There would not be any professional "politicians" anymore, terms would be much shorter, and the general public would have to be much more vigilant. Not likely to happen in my lifetime. We're not ready ![]() |
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18874 |
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I would say the US is more of a plutocracy than an oligarchy. I suppose it could be both though. However, it's really the super wealthy behind the scenes who are pulling the strings.
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What does your preferred governmental/representative system look like?
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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^ Yes, it's teetering. Does that mean that Amercans should choose an option that is clearly worse? Another country where things are not going at their best is the UK: "‘This place is utterly dysfunctional’: MPs on why they’re leaving parliament"
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The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
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