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So I had another listen to it a few days ago to see if my opinion had changed in 15 years (it really has been that long!) . First of all its 71 minutes long . Wow that did surprise me and they did play the whole thing at the St Davids Hall gig back in the 90's. My issue is still the same - no real memorable songs.
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I'm not sure that "memorable" is the proper word, or idea, to look at these pieces of music. No one here or in 73 years of my ears, has anyone tried to hum along with Beethoven's 9th, 8th, 7th, or whichever, of anyone stopped the world by humming along with Stravinsky ... that is NOT a good criteria for music, and sadly enough is something that is used by folks within "progressive this or that" ... and a lot of the music that is considered "progressive" is not designed, and NEVER WAS, to be on a top 5 or top 10 ,,, yet, we treat them like they were a hit song, which is sad, and takes away a lot of what the original musicians wanted to do with their music ... which in most cases was to break away from the AM styled radio control, and the new FM Radio band helped make the long cuts favorable and loved ... we love Layla, but I have never heard anyone hum along or whistle with it!

I kinda think that this "memorable" thing belongs to the hits, and is a part of the radio of 50 years ago, but I'm not sure that we will remember any of the top 50 AoY for 2023 by the amount of memorable moments that we can whistle to or humm. 

I'm gonna try PoiL now ... maybe I can whistle something! Wink
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

So I had another listen to it a few days ago to see if my opinion had changed in 15 years (it really has been that long!) . First of all its 71 minutes long . Wow that did surprise me and they did play the whole thing at the St Davids Hall gig back in the 90's. My issue is still the same - no real memorable songs.
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I'm not sure that "memorable" is the proper word, or idea, to look at these pieces of music. No one here or in 73 years of my ears, has anyone tried to hum along with Beethoven's 9th, 8th, 7th, or whichever, of anyone stopped the world by humming along with Stravinsky ... that is NOT a good criteria for music, and sadly enough is something that is used by folks within "progressive this or that" ... and a lot of the music that is considered "progressive" is not designed, and NEVER WAS, to be on a top 5 or top 10 ,,, yet, we treat them like they were a hit song, which is sad, and takes away a lot of what the original musicians wanted to do with their music ... which in most cases was to break away from the AM styled radio control, and the new FM Radio band helped make the long cuts favorable and loved ... we love Layla, but I have never heard anyone hum along or whistle with it!

I kinda think that this "memorable" thing belongs to the hits, and is a part of the radio of 50 years ago, but I'm not sure that we will remember any of the top 50 AoY for 2023 by the amount of memorable moments that we can whistle to or humm. 

I'm gonna try PoiL now ... maybe I can whistle something! Wink

It seems to fall on deaf ears but I hate it when my posts are edited. So here is my full post

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

So I had another listen to it a few days ago to see if my opinion had changed in 15 years (it really has been that long!) . First of all its 71 minutes long . Wow that did surprise me and they did play the whole thing at the St Davids Hall gig back in the 90's. My issue is still the same - no real memorable songs. However I'm missing the point as usual as its basically one very long song and that was the point. It flows perfectly and Hogarth sings as well as any time in his career and has a truly beautiful voice. It definitely has a reason for existing and will permanently divide opinion , but that's nothing against it. However I would prefer to listen to 5 other Marillion H era albums before it and it probably would scrape into my personal Marillion Top Ten. Different folks different strokes. BTW I wish people would just give opinions rather than snipe at other people for not saying what they want to hear , oh well okay it is Progarchives Smile 

So you deliberately ignored my comment 'However I'm missing the point as usual as its basically one very long song and that was the point' just so you could just have yet another version of you bigging yourself up.
I struggle with the album but I respect it even if I'm never really going to love it I suspect. Nevermind there is plenty of other music for me to listen to out there.
BTW Poil Ueda is good but personally I prefer Yosh*tsune over the first one. This is a totally different style of music to neo prog . I suspect you know this though Confused
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Listening to it now, not sure how memorable it's going to be, but it sounds good, and the playing is fantastic. I have a feeling it's going to be like 'Wind and Wuthering' a fantastic record, but nothing super memorable. One I'll occasionally come back to 
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Listening to it now, not sure how memorable it's going to be, but it sounds good, and the playing is fantastic. I have a feeling it's going to be like 'Wind and Wuthering' a fantastic record, but nothing super memorable. One I'll occasionally come back to 

Nothing memorable on Wind & Wuthering?! Shocked The only thing not memorable on it is Rutherford's ballad (YOSW), everything else is worthy of praise. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Listening to it now, not sure how memorable it's going to be, but it sounds good, and the playing is fantastic. I have a feeling it's going to be like 'Wind and Wuthering' a fantastic record, but nothing super memorable. One I'll occasionally come back to 


Nothing memorable on Wind & Wuthering?! Shocked The only thing not memorable on it is Rutherford's ballad (YOSW), everything else is worthy of praise. 


I've heard it half a dozen times. Everytime I listen to it I love it, but it never sticks with me.
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Listening to it now, not sure how memorable it's going to be, but it sounds good, and the playing is fantastic. I have a feeling it's going to be like 'Wind and Wuthering' a fantastic record, but nothing super memorable. One I'll occasionally come back to 


Nothing memorable on Wind & Wuthering?! Shocked The only thing not memorable on it is Rutherford's ballad (YOSW), everything else is worthy of praise. 


I've heard it half a dozen times. Everytime I listen to it I love it, but it never sticks with me.

So you only listened to it 6 times? LOL And it still did not click with you?! I don't know what to say then, give it a second chance or give up on the band altogether, maybe it's not your thing. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Listening to it now, not sure how memorable it's going to be, but it sounds good, and the playing is fantastic. I have a feeling it's going to be like 'Wind and Wuthering' a fantastic record, but nothing super memorable. One I'll occasionally come back to 


Nothing memorable on Wind & Wuthering?! Shocked The only thing not memorable on it is Rutherford's ballad (YOSW), everything else is worthy of praise. 


I've heard it half a dozen times. Everytime I listen to it I love it, but it never sticks with me.


So you only listened to it 6 times? LOL And it still did not click with you?! I don't know what to say then, give it a second chance or give up on the band altogether, maybe it's not your thing. 

I'll give it another spin tomorrow, I'm a huge fan of Genesis (I was listening to The Lamb earlier, fantastic
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I love fish Marillion. I even liked SE/HIE. I bought Brave day of release. I still can't get it. It's just dull. I must admit I struggled with TSE onwards. 
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