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You can’t even agree on the definition of “prog”, which makes it difficult to answer the question. Music is not black and white where every single album can be deemed either prog or not. It’s all a mix of inspirations and talent.

I’m also amused at the topic title, asking for “real prog”. Certainly prog police work.
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Originally posted by Zeph Zeph wrote:

You can’t even agree on the definition of “prog”, which makes it difficult to answer the question. Music is not black and white where every single album can be deemed either prog or not. It’s all a mix of inspirations and talent.

I’m also amused at the topic title, asking for “real prog”. Certainly prog police work.

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

"What is Prog?"

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is prog what? Big smile
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Rush and Fly by Night aren't prog, not in the slightest. But they don't have to be.

By-Tor and the Snow Dog isn't prog?

I miss Queen ByTor and SnowDog....... Cry
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

<font size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">"What is Prog?"


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Originally posted by Zeph Zeph wrote:

You can’t even agree on the definition of “prog”, which makes it difficult to answer the question. Music is not black and white where every single album can be deemed either prog or not. It’s all a mix of inspirations and talent.

I’m also amused at the topic title, asking for “real prog”. Certainly prog police work.


I second everything you wrote.
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Originally posted by Zeph Zeph wrote:

You can’t even agree on the definition of “prog”, which makes it difficult to answer the question. Music is not black and white where every single album can be deemed either prog or not. It’s all a mix of inspirations and talent.

I’m also amused at the topic title, asking for “real prog”. Certainly prog police work.


Silly me, I've just noticed the "real prog rock" in the title. As opposed to  false or fake prog rock everywhere, right? 
TBH I dislike it (to put tit gently) when anyone puts words like "real" or 'true" in front of genres, i.e. "true metal" and 'true prog" and so on. Maybe I'm not getting something here... oh well... LOL


Edited by Cristi - January 31 2024 at 09:22
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

TBH I dislike it (to put tit gently) when anyone puts words like "real" or 'true" in front of genres, i.e. "true metal" and 'true prog" and so on. Maybe I'm not getting something here... oh well... LOL

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I actually don't disagree with the 2112 to MP opinion (although is side two of 2112 really prog?) but my personal (subjective) defintion of prog stretches a bit beyond MP.
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Originally posted by progROCKS123 progROCKS123 wrote:

even in the 1980s rush was still a prog band Smile

I agree but maybe not Presto. Anything in the 80s before it though. 
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Originally posted by Zeph Zeph wrote:

You can’t even agree on the definition of “prog”, which makes it difficult to answer the question. Music is not black and white where every single album can be deemed either prog or not. It’s all a mix of inspirations and talent.

I’m also amused at the topic title, asking for “real prog”. Certainly prog police work.

exactly 5.75% of the music on this site is real prog rock. After that you have the fake prog represented by 80's King Crimson and Peter Gabriel entire solo career plus the AOR crap that no one cares about and the weird stuff that strange human like persons think is important.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Zeph Zeph wrote:

You can’t even agree on the definition of “prog”, which makes it difficult to answer the question. Music is not black and white where every single album can be deemed either prog or not. It’s all a mix of inspirations and talent.

I’m also amused at the topic title, asking for “real prog”. Certainly prog police work.

exactly 5.75% of the music on this site is real prog rock. After that you have the fake prog represented by 80's King Crimson and Peter Gabriel entire solo career plus the AOR crap that no one cares about and the weird stuff that strange human like persons think is important.

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who said that AOR is real prog? Confused

what's a "strange human like person"? Confused
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Zeph Zeph wrote:

You can’t even agree on the definition of “prog”, which makes it difficult to answer the question. Music is not black and white where every single album can be deemed either prog or not. It’s all a mix of inspirations and talent.

I’m also amused at the topic title, asking for “real prog”. Certainly prog police work.


exactly 5.75% of the music on this site is real prog rock. After that you have the fake prog represented by 80's King Crimson and Peter Gabriel entire solo career plus the AOR crap that no one cares about and the weird stuff that strange human like persons think is important.

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who said that AOR is real prog? Confused

what's a "strange human like person"? Confused




Now now children remember one man’s prog isn’t necessarily another man’s prog?
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Rush is much less PROG than Yes, Genesis and King Crimson but much more prog than Pink Floyd. 

My observation on the progness of Rush output:

Fly by Night - not a prog album, only By-Tor is prog
Caress of Steel - half prog (two epics are prog)
2112 - half prog (a side two is not prog but standard rock)
A Farewell to Kings - mostly prog (Closer to the heart and Madrigal are not prog songs)
Hemispheres - pure prog 
Permanent Waves - partially prog (Jacob's ladder and Natural science are prog)
Moving Pictures - mostly AOR, two prog songs (The Camera Eye and YYZ)

Synth-era albums have some proggy moments but they are not really prog. 
Snakes & arrows and Clockwork angels have some proggy songs, but they're not real prog. 
None of their albums inbetween are prog or even proggy. 
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^Come on. Madrigal is more of a prog song than Cinderella Man. Tongue It seems that maybe you have fallen into the trap that many people have which is thinking that a song has to be complex to be prog.

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Originally posted by TexasKing TexasKing wrote:

Rush is much less PROG than Yes, Genesis and King Crimson but much more prog than Pink Floyd. 

My observation on the progness of Rush output:

Fly by Night - not a prog album, only By-Tor is prog
Caress of Steel - half prog (two epics are prog)
2112 - half prog (a side two is not prog but standard rock)
A Farewell to Kings - mostly prog (Closer to the heart and Madrigal are not prog songs)
Hemispheres - pure prog 
Permanent Waves - partially prog (Jacob's ladder and Natural science are prog)
Moving Pictures - mostly AOR, two prog songs (The Camera Eye and YYZ)

Synth-era albums have some proggy moments but they are not really prog. 
Snakes & arrows and Clockwork angels have some proggy songs, but they're not real prog. 
None of their albums inbetween are prog or even proggy. 

Nitpicking like this, I can list songs that are not prog from all the prog-greats. LOL
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^Maybe "more fool me" isn't a prog song but imo "I know what I like" qualifies. I stand by what I said. I remember asking a guy at a prog festival if he thought "wonderous stories" and IKWIL are prog and he said they were. I suppose we can all argue until the cows come home as to whether they or other songs are prog. I guess it ultimately it depends on our own interpretation and opinion on what makes something prog.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Nitpicking like this, I can list songs that are not prog from all the prog-greats. LOL

Rush's progginess or lack of.... has there been any other subject that has been discussed as much on this site over the past 20 years? I'm sure it would make an excellent doctoral thesis.. Geek
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