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mathman0806
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Now that's quick response! Nice! |
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richardh
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I think possibly one important rule has been forgotten as per Logan's OP :
In the past this was only open to collaborators and some VIPs, but now it's open to all active PA members provided they aren't new members registering here in order to prop-up certain albums. Also, Mike of awesomeprog has provided an awesome tool to use where you can look through the yearly albums, search for albums and add and order those albums for your own list: see https://awesomeprog.com/aoty-poll EDIT - but are we going by new forum members or joining date? It does also say 'active PA members'.
Edited by richardh - January 10 2024 at 16:09 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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^ good point, currently no check is implemented, but I can add a rule based on the joined date.
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Logan
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Sorry, I moved those to this thread. I was rushing to write that and spent ages moving posts to this new topic for discussion of issue and leaving the other topic for lists. That said, I think that message serves its purpose which arises from a concern that people may join up just to prop up an album. Maybe I should not have said active members, but it was meant as a general alert. By active members I also mean has not been suspended. Of course an account must be active to post a list, but if that person gets suspended then I don't think the list should count. And if that member has been suspended before and come here under another account, I don't think that person should be counted. I wanted to be a little ambiguous and leave us some space for action and it did not occur to me that could be seen as an issue by regulars. Anyway, I have not slept for two days so hard to think. Won't try to change the wording now, but that has no effect on most of us.
EDIT: I will edit out the word active from the opening post I wrote yesterday in the topic intended for lists. Edited by Logan - January 10 2024 at 17:18 |
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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The recent post by axel is worth consideration, he/she has been here since 2021 but the vote was their first ever post.
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Ian
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Lewian
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Logan
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Oh yes, that should be no problem. Fine that he was not an active poster at the forum before. But if people join just to seemingly prop up albums, get suspended, or use alternate accounts, those people should not be counted.
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Logan
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Yes, a cleaner list topic is much better. It did take a long time, but was worth the effort. Glad you recommended a change. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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^ Well done! Hard work done by many here to make this happen, now it's up to you (the forum users) to submit your lists
EDIT: Speaking of the work - have a look at the log of the "paBot" at AP: Whenever this user account adds an album, it's actually me. The process is semi-automated, but still requires me to go through all the releases that have been added to PA and for each one try to match it to existing AP releases, adding artists if necessary, and then of course link everything to RYM, Spotify and Bandcamp. It's a tedious task, but on the other hand it gives me a special type of awareness of what's happening. And I hope that the result is useful to you, in the form of the release polls and the release calendar at AP. Edited by MikeEnRegalia - January 11 2024 at 01:15 |
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Logan
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Wasn't hard, merely some rather tedious early morning housework, and would hardly be worth patting myself on the back about. You likely would whip up a code to make it easier at your site. Any hard or tedious work does not compare to what you've put into your part in this. And while, unlike me, you do deserve a pat on the back, you have a very awesome tool, I also will want to acknowledge the efforts of various people who have put so much effort into conducting these AOTY's over the years. It's all much appreciated. And of course thanks to all you are taking time to take part in this. It warms the cockles of this rather antisocial heart. While of course some put more time into this than others, I love the fact that this is as much of a communal effort as it is, with communal results. Now that's worthy of applaudation.
All of the noise takes me to the outside where there's all Creations joining in celebrating happiness and joy All around the world, on land and in the sea. |
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Logan
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Taken from the AOTY topic:
It's great to see another with that album on their list. I think I have it in the same ranking. Having become a huge Twin Peaks fan after the revival (The Return) came out in 2017, I listened to Xiu Xiu's Play the Music of Twin Peaks album that came out in 2016 and love their takes on the scores. I was pleased to appreciate Xiu Xiu's Ignore Grief as much as I do, especially as it has a decent but far from stellar rating at RYM. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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^ that is a weird property of rym … most great releases end up at 3.7. I have a different system at AP, I’m not using the average value of the ratings because it tends to, well, “average out” the more ratings there are.
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Logan
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The ratings at RYM are 3.31 / 5.0 from 3,752 ratings. Ranked #685 for 2023. The reviews are mostly very positive, but they also are over the map. Xiu Xiu has been around for a long time, and I think it also depends on which sides of Xiu Xiu you are into. It has soundtrack qualities, like early horror movies, and I like atmospheric and cinematic music. Some of it could work well as background music, depending on the individual. I totally would get why some people would find this album pretentious and boring on the whole, and I would not imagine many into melodic rock / AOR really liking it. I like kinds of industrial music, drone and music with spoken word.
It's still not up there with their Twin Peaks take, which is one of my favourite albums from 2016, and 2016 is one of my very favourite years in music. This is a favourite of mine off the album and more invigorating than most on it: |
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richardh
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Rick Wakeman - A Gallery Of The Imagination. This was a 2022 release and was voted for in the 2022 AOTY poll if you check out those results. I remember the CD and Vinyl were delayed but Rick made the MP3 available to anyone that had pre-ordered it in 2022. I purchased the deluxe package and have it on clear vinyl and on CD. It's a really nice album but it shouldn't be available for voting in 2023 poll imo.
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mathman0806
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The mention of past years raises a question from me. Would you (MikeEnRegalia) consider running best of year polls for different years throughout the year? I think it would have to be one year at a time, and I don't think it would have to go back year by year in order. It would be interesting to say pick a year, such as 2016 that Greg mentioned, and see how that might compare to the collaborator poll taken then. It also gives some people an opportunity to rate based on an extended history. I personally use time as a test on how I rank an album. I may of liked an album a lot when it first came out but after a few years may not hold regular listening. While the albums that end up being my favorites get repeated listens years later.
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Logan
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If this is this done for past years as well, count me in. And I'd like to post my results in this forum and at your site's forum.
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richardh
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I like that idea as well
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MikeEnRegalia
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Yes, I have coded these polls in a way that makes it easy to support doing them for arbitrary years, months and many other possible queries. It does not work yet, but will be available shortly.
As for posting the results in several places, I'll try to make that as easy as possible. It should be possible for you to only make one list for a given poll and then to submit it in several places (forums).
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MikeEnRegalia
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Improvements! Don't worry, none of the voting functionality has changed. But in the combined charts you can now filter by genre (either PA genre on the PA only chart, or AP genre on the others), and there's also pagination for the poll, which improves performance.
Check it out here (spoiler alert for those who do not want to see the preliminary results yet):
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Added Mendoza Hoff Revels to my chart, they need the name correcting on AP as it's up as Ava Mendoza (Svet put it up incorrectly)
Also added Brighde Chaimbeul - Carry Them With Us with the bandcamp link, I'd suggest she gets tagged as drone folk if that's possible. She's not prog.
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Ian
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