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Posted: September 30 2023 at 11:30
In the NASA report a question of opinion was posed as to
whether alien life exits on other planets.According their mathematical modeling there has to be over a million earth
like planets, so it would be foolish to think we are unique and alone. However,
the distances required to travel to earth is highly unlikely that anyone
visited us.
I think the oversight there is thinking with current
technology.Where will humans be in 100
or 1000 years from now?Wouldn’t there
be civilizations that are even older than that?Current physics (theoretically) doesn’t prevent us from gaining more
distance much faster than light.Think
warp drive and wornholes.There other possibilities
such as time travel, entanglement, maybe even some sort of resonant frequency
positioning.
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Posted: September 30 2023 at 11:04
^Pretty much the same here.
Statistically, there IS life out there. Now, what does it look like?
I have to believe that any life that has technology capable of that kind of space travel, would, at the very least, have some sort of opposable end effector (call it a hand if you like). Without one, I can't imagine the ability to construct such complex machinery that would be necessary. Even to build the machines that could build the components for such a craft would require some sort of dexterity.
After that, I gotta believe just about anything is possible.
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Posted: September 30 2023 at 10:47
I think aliens exist somewhere in the Universe. I do not think aliens have visited Earth. Even advanced aliens would be limited by the speed of light, time, distance, lifespan, resources, and technology. The economic expense would be prohibitive. The distance between stars is huge, beyond most folk's imaginations...mine included.
wow, has this tread deviated. I was actually contemplating
on starting a thread on the UFO, USO, UAP phenomena. But then I would feel
obligated to keep up on that thread.Maybe someone would like to start one
Just a little over a week ago NASA had a briefing on the UAP
study they commissioned over a year ago.You can probably see the replay on the NASA web site.They are allocating more resources and
proceeding with further investigations as well as encouraging the public to get
involved.
The stigma of reporting or simply mentioning a siting is disintegrating
rapidly. Maybe now pilots and other
professionals will not be threatened of losing their jobs over reports.
Without mentioning any names I suspect some on here are reluctant to say they think aliens are real or even the possibility they are real because of the stigma that has been around a long time. So much for the "new age."
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Posted: September 30 2023 at 09:26
wow, has this tread deviated. I was actually contemplating
on starting a thread on the UFO, USO, UAP phenomena. But then I would feel
obligated to keep up on that thread.Maybe someone would like to start one
Just a little over a week ago NASA had a briefing on the UAP
study they commissioned over a year ago.You can probably see the replay on the NASA web site.They are allocating more resources and
proceeding with further investigations as well as encouraging the public to get
involved.
The stigma of reporting or simply mentioning a siting is disintegrating
rapidly. Maybe now pilots and other
professionals will not be threatened of losing their jobs over reports.
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Posted: September 29 2023 at 19:44
How many politicians have we had since the mid 60's?? And you tell me none of them have talked or will talk after retiring, or write a book?? Makes no sense, remember they are ALL MORONS!! I seriously doubt all of them are under a govt NDA for life.
Regarding UFO, or whatever I don't think there is a cover up........I don't think if one has crashed they have the wreckage.
I'm more inclined to believe aliens live among us, the level of intelligence to travel here a gazillion light years away they posses intelligence that we probably will never comprehend, I doubt we can even fantasize about that level of intelligence.
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Posted: September 29 2023 at 18:03
Many governments surely know more than they let on, but many have also openly discussed the phenomena long before the recent parade of wide-eyed "witnesses" that appeared in Washington, and it must be considered a 'clear and present danger' by any serious govt. official .
There is something going on and it ain't skinny grey men in saucers who want to violate you.
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
Unmanned aircraft? Well, that's possible. We do have drones after all. Plus radio controlled airplanes have been around a while. I'm just not sure they could do all that but who knows.
I don't know if it sounds more plausible; at least not to me. I think many of us have just been so conditioned to think aliens and flying saucers are things from science fiction and stuff crazy people think that many people won't even take it seriously or even consider it as an option and I find that to be very unfortunate.
I just don't think what you say above makes sense considering how long UFOs and flying saucers and UAPs and space craft that can disappear in a split second and go ten times faster than anything we know of. My personal opinion is that it's quite possible that there has been a big cover up and the government probably knows more than they let on. Maybe you and I can agree at least on that much.
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Posted: September 29 2023 at 17:40
Well I doubt thems secret servicemen were inside the high-powered gravity defying aircraft, that could be dangerous, I'm thinking more like unmanned craft.
But that may not be the issue. Let's put it this way: what if a group of people, say highly skilled independent contractors & scientists with special knowledge, decided to give the middle finger to the governments that had hired them to research & develop this stuff, kept the best parts to themselves and one day said "Let's do our own thing-- No allegiance to nation, no physical homeland, little fear from the militaries of the world".
Waaay too James Bond/Spectre, I know, and I'm not saying I believe that is the case. But it or something resembling it seems more plausible at this point in history than non-humans from somewhere else.
Edited by Atavachron - September 29 2023 at 17:42
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
The 'human harassment' is my opinion based on what I've learned, my own independent observations, and of course reading guys like Joseph Farrell.
UFOs have been sighted by military aircraft since the 40s so that means that secret service men have been flying around in these high powered gravity defying aircraft and harassing the airforce (or navy pilots) for over 65-70 years. And they are still doing it! Wow, they really hold grudges don't they?
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Posted: September 29 2023 at 16:42
Atavachron wrote:
progaardvark wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ The thing is I've been looking into it for decades so my perspective is one who has been through the looking glass, down the rabbit hole, and back again, and my current thinking is that it is more likely to be human-made stuff than aliens or alien-based backward-engineering.
To your question, I did not watch the material you posted but I will try to as it sounds interesting. But I've seen most all of it and my simple opinion is that UAPs are real, aliens [particularly alien abductions] are not, and the tech developed has yielded far more than anyone expected. Not unlike the atomic bomb.
But frankly I'd rather it be aliens, because the possibility that this stuff is in the hands of not just our military but also private groups with nefarious intentions, is terrifying.
I'm curious about what led you to your current thinking. Do you have some sources, like some book titles or some articles or websites? Although I haven't had much time in recent months to read, if there is something you can recommend, I'll add it to my "things to read in the future" list. It can be just one or two titles that I can sink my teeth into. Thanks!
You bet-- almost anything by Joseph P. Farrell, particularly Saucers,Swastikas,and Psy-Ops .
Now, I am not a conspiracy guy, it's just that the UAP human explanation makes much more sense to me than the alien one. That is a stretch, no doubt, but I think after all these decades of legitimate UFO sightings and all the research I've looked into, it just doesn't feel like aliens anymore, and closer to a hidden science that is so closely guarded it doesn't matter what the public think as long as the technology is kept secret.
All fair points. Thanks for the recommended reading. Much appreciated.
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I'm curious how he came to that conclusion too. I personally believe what I believe in part because I watch a lot of this tv show called paranormal caught on camera and they show all kinds of weird stuff (not just UFOs). And it's not just one kind of UFO that I've seen on that show. There are so many different kinds. Imo, they can't all be from the government. I highly recommend that show.
I looked at your suggested 'Pentagon declassifies UFO navy videos' stuff and it's footage I'm familiar with--- some of it is fascinating like the rotating gyro-craft off the side of the jet with the pilot's descriptions, much of it is grainy, vague and of poor quality. The point is not that these craft do things that aren't supposed to be possible, but that their patterns of behavior are emerging more as human harassment, intimidation and vandalism rather than aliens who are here for some mysterious purpose.
Did someone say that last part (about the human harassment) or is that just your opinion? I'm basically wondering how you came to that conclusion.
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - September 29 2023 at 16:33
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Posted: September 29 2023 at 16:23
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I'm curious how he came to that conclusion too. I personally believe what I believe in part because I watch a lot of this tv show called paranormal caught on camera and they show all kinds of weird stuff (not just UFOs). And it's not just one kind of UFO that I've seen on that show. There are so many different kinds. Imo, they can't all be from the government. I highly recommend that show.
I looked at your suggested 'Pentagon declassifies UFO navy videos' stuff and it's footage I'm familiar with--- some of it is fascinating like the rotating gyro-craft off the side of the jet with the pilot's descriptions, much of it is grainy, vague and of poor quality. The point is not that these craft do things that aren't supposed to be possible, but that their patterns of behavior are emerging more as human harassment, intimidation and vandalism rather than aliens who are here for some mysterious purpose.
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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