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    Posted: June 09 2023 at 14:36
Their is a perk to having so many personnel changes in that there are many lists to be made!

So let us share our King Crimson drummer rankings

1. Bill Bruford(can we be surprised)

2. Andy McCulloch

3. Mike Giles

4. Ian Wallace

5. Jamie Muir

6. Pat M.

7. Gavin Harrison

8. Bill R.

9. Jeremy Stacey

To be completely honest I barely know or care about the last three, this is because I think that three drum incarnation completely blows.

What are you guys' lists?
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1. Bruford
2. McCulloch
3. Giles
4. Wallace
5. Mastelotto
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Broof alone suffices.
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Hi,

BB brought them through a very different and experimental period that went out really well and many of those pieces are still played today in the KC shows ... a lot more than many other pieces.

The only sad thing about them is that in some cases in the redo's a lot of the little touches that BB has on the music, is toned down. If you hear a couple of these pieces done by Rachel Flowers, she makes sure that the touches that BB added to the music are heard. Still subtle, but all of a sudden, they add character to the music.

Pat M. is an interesting drummer, but I am not sure that he was the perfect drummer for KC, but he has a nice touch, and he added a lot to the trio of drummers that showed his musical abilities. 

Gavin H. is my least favored of these. He's way too mechanical for my tastes, but in the case of KC, Mr. Fripp demanding a tight and secure show, someone like Gavin would be very important because he will be "there" and "ready". The main thing for me, would be to tell Gavin to get rid of his snare drum, and then play ... I bet he can and do it well ... but being tied to the "time" is a bitch and not the freedom that many folks want. And with a drummer, I'm not sure that Mr. Fripp wants "freedom" which might throw off the other players that can in a much easier way add some small things to the music that is not just 16 touches, in stead of 8 at any given moment!
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hard to rank them all, but Bruford was always my favorite drummer.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Heart of the Matter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2023 at 11:48
Everybody loves BB, the question is who comes next. I think the drumming in Lizard is particularly impressive, so I'd say Andy McCulloch, and then Ian Wallace, not far behind (I love Islands).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2023 at 11:56
^ I don't think Michael Giles gets enough credit for his percussion work on the first 2 albums. When I think of drumming and King Crimson, my mind always drifts back to my early teen years and the eccentric use of cymbals throughout and the manic stick work specifically on "21st Century Schizoid Man" from the ItCotCK album. I think that's probably the first time I can attach the words "progressive rock" and drumming in my youth. 
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The early drummer(s) were pretty ploding (old fashioned). Till BB came along
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Originally posted by telefunk telefunk wrote:

The early drummer(s) were pretty ploding (old fashioned). Till BB came along

Right. Tell me you don't know sh*t about drumming without actually saying it. 
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I think the early drummers especially Mike and Andy were pretty different than the average drummer of the day, especially considering the time period. Especially if you look into their careers beyond Crimson.
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The ones that stand out to me:
1. Bruford. Obligatory. Well deserved.
2. Giles, whose really distinctive tone and technique I've always been fond of.
3. Harrison, who stole the show most of all out of the three drummers when I saw them live in 2015; man, does this guy know how to pound his instrument.
4. Muir, if he counts, mostly for expanding the band's sound pallette so much and encouraging his bandmates to explore new avenues and get the best out of themselves.
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King Crimson, Chicago Vic Theater, September 26, 2014.   

Robert Fripp was accompanied by Gavin Harrison (drums), Bill Rieflin (drums), Pat Mastelotto (drums), Tony Levin (bass and vocals), Mel Collins (Sax, flute), and Jakko Jakszyk (guitar, vocals).  One of the best concerts I ever attended (and I saw LTIA Crimson, Yes on CTTE etc.) 

I was particularly awe-struck by drummers augmenting the drum with hand-held i-Pads, playing a particular Mellotron application!!  

Robert Fripp, King Crimson, September 2014 : "We no longer take mellotrons on the road. Instead we take this iPad app"







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Sorry for your ignorance but I am a drummer haha
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Originally posted by telefunk telefunk wrote:

The early drummer(s) were pretty ploding (old fashioned). Till BB came along
Originally posted by telefunk telefunk wrote:

Sorry for your ignorance but I am a drummer haha

What I could certainly ascertain from your poorly typed posts is that no one will ever mistake you for a grammatician. You must suck as a drummer as well. 

But please, explain in detail how the drumming of Michael Giles on King Crimson's first album is "plodding" (I am aiding you in spelling in this instance). And attempt to go beyond single-sentence gibberish. I would suggest that Giles drumming on an album released in 1969 is neither "plodding" nor "old-fashioned"; on the contrary, it is quite unique for a rock album of that time period. Giles' drumming is complex and polyrhythmic in composition -- in scale it is far more jazz-influenced than simplistic rock.






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Bruford
Giles
McCulloch
Wallace
Muir
Harrison
Mastelotto

Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - June 11 2023 at 11:59
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by telefunk telefunk wrote:

The early drummer(s) were pretty ploding (old fashioned). Till BB came along
Originally posted by telefunk telefunk wrote:

Sorry for your ignorance but I am a drummer haha

What I could certainly ascertain from your poorly typed posts is that no one will ever mistake you for a grammatician. You must suck as a drummer as well. 

But please, explain in detail how the drumming of Michael Giles on King Crimson's first album is "plodding" (I am aiding you in spelling in this instance). And attempt to go beyond single-sentence gibberish. I would suggest that Giles drumming on an album released in 1969 is neither "plodding" nor "old-fashioned"; on the contrary, it is quite unique for a rock album of that time period. Giles' drumming is complex and polyrhythmic in composition -- in scale it is far more jazz-influenced than simplistic rock.

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Overall best and most legendary: Bill Bruford
The jazziest: Michael Giles
The one with the most hollow cardboard-like drum sound: Andy McCullough
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1. Bruford
2. McCulloch*
3. Giles
4. Mastelotto

after that I struggle to care and not a fan of Islands.

*this is the correct spelling!!

According to wiki McCulloch left the business to teach sailing! Something of a loss because Lizard and the Greenslade albums pust him right up there. Has a very fluid style which I love.
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Quote *this is the correct spelling!!
Whoops!

Don't get me wrong. He was a fantastic drummer. I was being a tiny bit tongue-in-cheek. Aside from the monumental performances on Lizard, I also really love his drumming on the Duncan Mackay album Score.
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