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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

From PA's Top 30 list, these are the 5-star albums that would be in my Top 30 too:-

Camel - Moonmadness
Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
YES - The Quest (in place of Close to the Edge)

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Ok here's mine

5 Star
King Crimson - Larks Tongues In Aspic

4.66 Star
Pink Floyd - Animals
King Crimson - Red
VDGG - Godbluff
Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
VDGG - Pawn Hearts
Pink Floyd - WYWH
Jethro Tull - TAAB
PFM - Per Un Amico

4.33 Star
Yes - CTTE
GG - IAGH
KC - ITCOTCK
JT - Aqualung
Genesis - Foxtrot
Harmonium - Les Cinq Saisons
Yes - Relayer
Yes - Fragile

4 Star
Camel - Mirage
PF - DSOTM

3.66 Star
Banco - Io Sono..
PFM - Storia...
Rush - Moving Pictures
Genesis - Nursery Crymes
Anglagard - Hybris
Banco - Darwin

3.33 Star
Genesis - SEBTP
Camel - Moonmadness
Rush - Hemispheres
Rush - A Farewell...

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Then I'm curious, Paul, how many of the top 30 albums are you fond of?
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There are no 3 stars albums for me in that list, all of them are 5 or 4 stars.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Then I'm curious, Paul, how many of the top 30 albums are you fond of?
All of them, apart from Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, Frank Zappa and the four unknown Italian albums. 
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I found this exercice ratherv difficult and it's not perfect.

I had to magnify the differences between what is commonly agreed as 5Star and 3.5 Star

*****

In The Court Of The Crimson King

The Dark Side Of The Moon

Si On Avait ..

Birds Of Fire

Wish You Were Here

Thick as a Brick


**** 1/2

Godbluff

Selling England By The Pound

Hybris

Red

Lark's Tongues In Aspic


****

Close To The Edge

In A Glass House

Animals

Foxtrot

Storia Di Un Minuto

Hot Rats

A Kind Of Blue

Io sono nato libero

Relayer

Nursery Cryme

Aqualung


*** 1/2

A Farewell To Kings

Fragile

Darwin!

H to E, Who Am The Only One

Pawn Hearts

Moving Pictures

Hemispheres

Mirage

Moonmadness

Per Un Amico




Edited by Sean Trane - May 12 2023 at 08:03
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Then I'm curious, Paul, how many of the top 30 albums are you fond of?
All of them, apart from Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, Frank Zappa and the four unknown Italian albums. 

What about King Crimson?

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Anyway, Paul, you're about as much a mainstream man here as I am. 








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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Then I'm curious, Paul, how many of the top 30 albums are you fond of?
All of them, apart from Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, Frank Zappa and the four unknown Italian albums. 

What about King Crimson?

I Love King Crimson's outstanding debut, but Larks' Tongues in Aspic leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Wink 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I Love King Crimson's outstanding debut, but Larks' Tongues in Aspic leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Wink 

While another album makes you to see a bit too much of red? Big smile
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

27) Genesis: Nursery Crime

My first reaction: Nursery Cryme - quite important Smile, then, I have to think about it.

I've tried to explain my opinion in my review:

I'm surprised that this album is held in such high regard here in PA (number 12 on the Top Albums of all time!). I think it is the worst of the classic Genesis period (and even Trespass is much better).


The famous "The Musical Box" (rating 7.5 / 8) is a song that starts slow, subdued, intimate and stays in this mood (monotonous at times) for almost 4 minutes; then comes the rock instrumental part, where the musicians show off their virtuosity, and Collins (more than Hackett) proves his worth, characterising the Genesis sound with his jazzy rhythm. The track goes on for up to 10 minutes, alternating beautiful instrumental progressions with stunted sung pieces. Overall, it does not take off, never reaching a climax. 


"For Absent Friends" (6.5) is an acoustic piece of less than two minutes, beautiful in its singing, but without development. "The Return of the Giant Hogweed" (rating 8) starts with a nice rock rhythm in which Banks and Collins give their best. It lacks a melody, everything is based on a rhythm that continues very pompous; after 5 minutes the song pauses, the rhythm becomes slower and the sound intimate; but then it ends with a pompous ending. It is the best song on the album, but something is missing to consider it an absolute masterpiece. End of side A.


"Seven Stones" (rating 7.5/8) is a 5-minute ballad with a good progression in which romantic epic moments and rock moments alternate with many changes of rhythm. "Harold the Barrel" (rated 7+) is a pop song, with the atmosphere of a variety song. It shows Peter Gabriel's ironic/satirical streak. The three-minute song 'Harlequin' is the worst song on the album, being cloying (rating 6+). 
The last song, 'The Fountain of Salmacis' (rating 7.5) closes the LP. It is the third long song (8 minutes) after Musical Box and Giant Hogweed, and like the other two is pompous and magniloquent. Gabriel's vocals are strangely in the background, Banks' keyboard, as usual, drives the music (again more rhythm than melody); in the instrumental parts the bass solo can be heard. 


The album is not very inspired: on a melodic level it is definitely inferior to Trespass. It requires very careful listening and on the whole does not linger in the mind, it is too elaborate and forced in many parts. There are good songs, but they are not true masterpieces (not even Musical Box). The technical expertise, especially in the instrumental parts, partly compensates for the poor melodic vein. I think this record is very overrated, probably because it is the first with the line-up most beloved by Genesis fans. In my opinion, it is a transitional album: after the excellent Trespass, a linear, inspired, compact, melodically beautiful album, Nursery Crime tries new paths (which will be developed in the following albums) by focusing less on melody and more on technical rate. Where Trespass is melodically sublime in its epicness, Nursery Crime is very pumped up thanks to frenzied rhythms: therein lies the difference between inspiration and technique.


Average song quality: 7.29
Album rating: 7.5.    
Three stars. 



Edited by jamesbaldwin - May 12 2023 at 12:32
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

(MILES DAVIS: KIND OF BLUE: 5 STARS AS JAZZ ALBUM, 4 STARS AS PROG ALBUM)

I'm curious, in which ways do you see this album as Prog?

It's jazz, but being in this ranking, I try to see this album as prog.
In my reviews, I dont give 5 stars to Miles Davis, because it would be a non-sense if some of his album reached the first position of this prog-ranking.
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

27) Genesis: Nursery Crime
My first reaction: Nursery Cryme - quite important Smile, then, I have to think about it.
I've tried to explain my opinion in my review:
..............

Then, we're really talking about Nursery Crime Big smile - but I appreciate that you're telling your honest opinion.


Edited by David_D - May 13 2023 at 02:52
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Then I'm curious, Paul, how many of the top 30 albums are you fond of?
All of them, apart from Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, Frank Zappa and the four unknown Italian albums. 

Yes, what's up with that? You've listened to like 170 Tangerine Dream-albums and at least half of them of surely had to be a waste of precious listening time? Your life would be so much richer if you gave a handful of the italianprog classics a chance.




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... it's about taste and qualities -- ........

Very good remark - a subject meeting an object, and there's the question how big is the resonance.



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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Average song quality: 7.29
Album rating: 7.5.    
Three stars. 

But, 7.5 : 2 = 3.75  , isn't that closest to 4 stars? - just to be fair.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Average song quality: 7.29
Album rating: 7.5.    
Three stars. 

But, 7.5 : 2 = 3.75  , isn't that closest to 4 stars? - just to be fair.


7.5 equals 7 out of 10 = 3,5 out of 5
Edit: lol I don't know what I'm trying here, but it sure doesn't make much sense to me now


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Average song quality: 7.29
Album rating: 7.5.    
Three stars. 

But, 7.5 : 2 = 3.75  , isn't that closest to 4 stars? - just to be fair.


7.5 equals 7 out of 10 = 3,5 out of 5


I Use this metro:

Five stars:

10/10
9.75/10
9.5/10
9.25/10
9/10

I consider the abums rated 9.75 and 10 absolute masterpieces of music history, not only of prog (If I could I'd give them 6 stars), instead, the albums rated 9 are small masterpieces.

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Four stars.

8.75 (4 and a half stars, almost masterpiece)
8.5
8.25

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Three stars

8 (3 and a half stars)
7.75
7.5
7.25

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Two stars

7 (2 and a half stars)
6.75
6.5
6.25
6

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One star

5.5 or less



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Five Star Masterpieces:
1. Relayer
2. Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison
3. Selling England by the Pound
4. Close to the Edge
5. In the Court of the Crimson King
6. Per un amico
7. Dark Side of the Moon
8. Animals
9. Fragile
10. Hot Rats
11. Io sono nato libero
12. Foxtrot
13. Pawn Hearts
14. Birds of Fire
15. Nursery Cryme
16. H to He, Who Am the Only One

4.5 Star Minor Masterpieces:
17. In A Glass House
18. Thick as a Brick
19. Moonmadness
20. Red
21. Darwin!
22. Hybris
23. Mirage
24. Wish You Were Here
25. Lark's Tongues in Aspic

Four Stars:
26. Godbluff
27. Aqualung
28. Moving Pictures
29. Hemispheres
30. Storia di un minuto

Not a Prog Album:
Kind of Blue
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 5 stars 1974: Camel - Mirage - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f-nQPoi3aY
 5 stars 1976: Camel - Moonmadness - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYIBtjTeIFM
 5 stars 1971: Genesis - Nursery Cryme - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_iggp316Q
 5 stars 1972: Genesis - Foxtrot - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLQORWmqpuo
 5 stars 1973: Genesis - Selling England by the Pound - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKtDn5ntms
 5 stars 1969: King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw85aNJabkE
 5 stars 1973: Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ynZnEBtvw
 5 stars 1970: Van der Graaf Generator - H to He, Who Am the Only One - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQR6e_wpeiY
 5 stars 1972: YES - Close to the Edge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNkWac-Nm0A

 4 stars 1992: Anglagard - Hybris - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mbRjdsiB68
 4 stars 1975: Harmonium - Le Cinque Saisons - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkNzlf2MczE
 4 stars 1971: Jethro Tull - Aqualung - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MslaxkQpTdI
 4 stars 1972: Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15PsqN0DHc
 4 stars 1977: Pink Floyd - Animals - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4KQae9oMWs
 4 stars 1975: Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMy_mYkwl4M
 4 stars 2017: Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MSjUXDdmKM

 3 stars 1973: Gentle Giant - In a Glass House - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dNpM59fJOA
 3 stars 1973: Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa6D3Z2YkhY
 3 stars 1977: Rush - A Farewell to Kings - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ca8ZXjlv8
 3 stars 1978: Rush - Hemispheres - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMoHes_BChQ
 3 stars 1981: Rush - Moving Pictures - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAIxUvd8gWo
 3 stars 1975: Van der Graaf Generator - Godbluff -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fF2H5kVUXc
 3 stars 1969: Frank Zappa - Hot Rats - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdU4FHH4FnE

 2 stars 1972: King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nwJdj92uwTS0jn09Tykvmx9WUoNiW2HYo
 2 stars 1972: Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mINFDBMLirA
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