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David_D
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Ok here's mine
5 Star King Crimson - Larks Tongues In Aspic 4.66 Star Pink Floyd - Animals King Crimson - Red VDGG - Godbluff Frank Zappa - Hot Rats VDGG - Pawn Hearts Pink Floyd - WYWH Jethro Tull - TAAB PFM - Per Un Amico 4.33 Star Yes - CTTE GG - IAGH KC - ITCOTCK JT - Aqualung Genesis - Foxtrot Harmonium - Les Cinq Saisons Yes - Relayer Yes - Fragile 4 Star Camel - Mirage PF - DSOTM 3.66 Star Banco - Io Sono.. PFM - Storia... Rush - Moving Pictures Genesis - Nursery Crymes Anglagard - Hybris Banco - Darwin 3.33 Star Genesis - SEBTP Camel - Moonmadness Rush - Hemispheres Rush - A Farewell... |
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Ian
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David_D
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Then I'm curious, Paul, how many of the top 30 albums are you fond of?
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Gerinski
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There are no 3 stars albums for me in that list, all of them are 5 or 4 stars.
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Psychedelic Paul
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All of them, apart from Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, Frank Zappa and the four unknown Italian albums.
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Sean Trane
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I found this exercice ratherv difficult and it's not perfect. I had to magnify the differences between what is commonly agreed as 5 and 3.5 ***** In The Court Of The
Crimson King The Dark Side Of The
Moon Si On Avait .. Birds Of Fire Wish You Were Here Thick as a Brick **** 1/2 Godbluff Selling England By The
Pound Hybris Red Lark's Tongues In
Aspic **** Close To The Edge In A Glass House Animals Foxtrot Storia Di Un Minuto Hot Rats A Kind Of Blue Io sono nato libero Relayer Nursery Cryme Aqualung *** 1/2 A Farewell To Kings Fragile Darwin! H to E, Who Am The
Only One Pawn Hearts Moving Pictures Hemispheres Mirage Moonmadness Per Un Amico Edited by Sean Trane - May 12 2023 at 08:03 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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David_D
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What about King Crimson? |
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David_D
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Anyway, Paul, you're about as much a mainstream man here as I am. Edited by David_D - May 12 2023 at 08:41 |
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Psychedelic Paul
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I Love King Crimson's outstanding debut, but Larks' Tongues in Aspic leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
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David_D
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While another album makes you to see a bit too much of red?
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jamesbaldwin
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I've tried to explain my opinion in my review: I'm surprised that this album is held in such high regard here in PA (number 12 on the Top Albums of all time!). I think it is the worst of the classic Genesis period (and even Trespass is much better). The famous "The Musical Box" (rating 7.5 / 8) is a song that starts slow, subdued, intimate and stays in this mood (monotonous at times) for almost 4 minutes; then comes the rock instrumental part, where the musicians show off their virtuosity, and Collins (more than Hackett) proves his worth, characterising the Genesis sound with his jazzy rhythm. The track goes on for up to 10 minutes, alternating beautiful instrumental progressions with stunted sung pieces. Overall, it does not take off, never reaching a climax. "For Absent Friends" (6.5) is an acoustic piece of less than two minutes, beautiful in its singing, but without development. "The Return of the Giant Hogweed" (rating 8) starts with a nice rock rhythm in which Banks and Collins give their best. It lacks a melody, everything is based on a rhythm that continues very pompous; after 5 minutes the song pauses, the rhythm becomes slower and the sound intimate; but then it ends with a pompous ending. It is the best song on the album, but something is missing to consider it an absolute masterpiece. End of side A. "Seven Stones" (rating 7.5/8) is a 5-minute ballad with a good progression in which romantic epic moments and rock moments alternate with many changes of rhythm. "Harold the Barrel" (rated 7+) is a pop song, with the atmosphere of a variety song. It shows Peter Gabriel's ironic/satirical streak. The three-minute song 'Harlequin' is the worst song on the album, being cloying (rating 6+). The last song, 'The Fountain of Salmacis' (rating 7.5) closes the LP. It is the third long song (8 minutes) after Musical Box and Giant Hogweed, and like the other two is pompous and magniloquent. Gabriel's vocals are strangely in the background, Banks' keyboard, as usual, drives the music (again more rhythm than melody); in the instrumental parts the bass solo can be heard. The album is not very inspired: on a melodic level it is definitely inferior to Trespass. It requires very careful listening and on the whole does not linger in the mind, it is too elaborate and forced in many parts. There are good songs, but they are not true masterpieces (not even Musical Box). The technical expertise, especially in the instrumental parts, partly compensates for the poor melodic vein. I think this record is very overrated, probably because it is the first with the line-up most beloved by Genesis fans. In my opinion, it is a transitional album: after the excellent Trespass, a linear, inspired, compact, melodically beautiful album, Nursery Crime tries new paths (which will be developed in the following albums) by focusing less on melody and more on technical rate. Where Trespass is melodically sublime in its epicness, Nursery Crime is very pumped up thanks to frenzied rhythms: therein lies the difference between inspiration and technique. Average song quality: 7.29 Album rating: 7.5. Three stars. Edited by jamesbaldwin - May 12 2023 at 12:32 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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jamesbaldwin
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It's jazz, but being in this ranking, I try to see this album as prog. In my reviews, I dont give 5 stars to Miles Davis, because it would be a non-sense if some of his album reached the first position of this prog-ranking.
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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David_D
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Then, we're really talking about Nursery Crime - but I appreciate that you're telling your honest opinion.
Edited by David_D - May 13 2023 at 02:52 |
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Saperlipopette!
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Yes, what's up with that? You've listened to like 170 Tangerine Dream-albums and at least half of them of surely had to be a waste of precious listening time? Your life would be so much richer if you gave a handful of the italianprog classics a chance. Edited by Saperlipopette! - May 13 2023 at 02:25 |
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David_D
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Very good remark - a subject meeting an object, and there's the question how big is the resonance. Edited by David_D - May 13 2023 at 03:34 |
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David_D
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But, 7.5 : 2 = 3.75 , isn't that closest to 4 stars? - just to be fair. |
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Saperlipopette!
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7.5 equals 7 out of 10 = 3,5 out of 5 Edit: lol I don't know what I'm trying here, but it sure doesn't make much sense to me now
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jamesbaldwin
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I Use this metro: Five stars: 10/10 9.75/10 9.5/10 9.25/10 9/10 I consider the abums rated 9.75 and 10 absolute masterpieces of music history, not only of prog (If I could I'd give them 6 stars), instead, the albums rated 9 are small masterpieces. ---- Four stars. 8.75 (4 and a half stars, almost masterpiece) 8.5 8.25 ---- Three stars 8 (3 and a half stars) 7.75 7.5 7.25 ----- Two stars 7 (2 and a half stars) 6.75 6.5 6.25 6 ---- One star 5.5 or less Edited by jamesbaldwin - May 13 2023 at 06:40 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Five Star Masterpieces: 1. Relayer2. Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison 3. Selling England by the Pound 4. Close to the Edge 5. In the Court of the Crimson King 6. Per un amico 7. Dark Side of the Moon 8. Animals 9. Fragile 10. Hot Rats 11. Io sono nato libero 12. Foxtrot 13. Pawn Hearts 14. Birds of Fire 15. Nursery Cryme 16. H to He, Who Am the Only One 4.5 Star Minor Masterpieces: 17. In A Glass House 18. Thick as a Brick 19. Moonmadness 20. Red 21. Darwin! 22. Hybris 23. Mirage 24. Wish You Were Here 25. Lark's Tongues in Aspic Four Stars: 26. Godbluff 27. Aqualung 28. Moving Pictures 29. Hemispheres 30. Storia di un minuto Not a Prog Album: Kind of Blue
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Drew Fisher
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Psychedelic Paul
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1974: Camel - Mirage - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f-nQPoi3aY 1976: Camel - Moonmadness - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYIBtjTeIFM 1971: Genesis - Nursery Cryme - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_iggp316Q 1972: Genesis - Foxtrot - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLQORWmqpuo 1973: Genesis - Selling England by the Pound - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKtDn5ntms 1969: King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw85aNJabkE 1973: Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ynZnEBtvw 1970: Van der Graaf Generator - H to He, Who Am the Only One - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQR6e_wpeiY 1972: YES - Close to the Edge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNkWac-Nm0A 1992: Anglagard - Hybris - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mbRjdsiB68 1975: Harmonium - Le Cinque Saisons - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkNzlf2MczE 1971: Jethro Tull - Aqualung - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MslaxkQpTdI 1972: Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15PsqN0DHc 1977: Pink Floyd - Animals - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4KQae9oMWs 1975: Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMy_mYkwl4M 2017: Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MSjUXDdmKM 1971: YES - Fragile - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hE7HZCVVRU 1974: YES - Relayer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPoq2699Xo 1973: Gentle Giant - In a Glass House - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dNpM59fJOA 1974: King Crimson - Red - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6ogdCG3tAWjYWwQ7uWVrwg-9YawR_N-1 1973: Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa6D3Z2YkhY 1977: Rush - A Farewell to Kings - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ca8ZXjlv8 1978: Rush - Hemispheres - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMoHes_BChQ 1981: Rush - Moving Pictures - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAIxUvd8gWo 1975: Van der Graaf Generator - Godbluff - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fF2H5kVUXc 1969: Frank Zappa - Hot Rats - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdU4FHH4FnE 1972: King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nwJdj92uwTS0jn09Tykvmx9WUoNiW2HYo 1972: Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mINFDBMLirA
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