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    Posted: May 11 2023 at 17:44
Heres' to you the Top 30 of Progarchives:


I've reviewed all of these albums, and here's to you my ranking

FIVE STARS

10
1) VdGG: Pawn Hearts  

9.5
2) In The Court Of... King Crimson
3) King Crimson: Red             

9.25
4) PF: Wish You Were Here 
5) Banco: Darwin
6) JT: Aqualung
7) PFM: Storia di un minuto

9
8) Yes: Relayer
9) FZappa: Hot Rats
10) PF: Dark Side
11) VdGG: Godbluff

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4 STARS

8.75
12) Yes: CTTE 
13) Genesis: Foxtrot
14) PFM: Per un amico
15) KC: Larks

8.5
16) Harmonium
17) Yes: Fragile
18) Genesis: Selling England
19) PF: Animals
20) Banco: Io sono nato libero

8.25
21) Camel: Moonmadness
22) Rush: Moving Pictures

(MILES DAVIS: KIND OF BLUE: 5 STARS AS JAZZ ALBUM, 4 STARS AS PROG ALBUM)

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THREE STARS

8
24) Camel: Mirage

7.75 
25) JT: Thick as a Brick
26) Rush: Emispheres
 
7.5
27) Genesis: Nursery Crime

7.25
28) Rush: A Farewell

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TWO STARS

7
29) Hybris

6.75
30) GG: In a Glass House.




Edited by jamesbaldwin - May 11 2023 at 17:50
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I'll do ten.

1. Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick
2. Rush - Moving Pictures
3. Pink Floyd - Animals
4. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
5. Gentle Giant - In A Glass House
6. Rush - A Farewell to Kings
7. King Crimson - Red
8. Jethro Tull - Aqualung
9. Rush - Hemispheres
10. Yes - Fragile
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FIVE STARS
Close To The Edge
Wish You Were Here
Thick as a Brick
Foxtrot
Red
Animals
Godbluff
Pawn Hearts
Nursery Cryme
Mirage
Per Un Amico
Moving Pictures
Hybris

FOUR STARS
Selling England By The Pound
In The Court Of The Crimson King
Fragile
Moonmadness
Relayer
Darwin!
Aqualung
Storia Di Un Minuto
A Farewell To Kings

THREE STARS
The Dark Side Of The Moon
In A Glass House
Lark's Tongues In Aspic
Hemispheres

NO RATING (not listened to enough or at all)
Hot Rats
A Kind Of Blue
Io sono nato libero
Si On Avait ..
Birds Of Fire
H to E, Who Am The Only One
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

27) Genesis: Nursery Crime

My first reaction: Nursery Cryme - quite important Smile, then, I have to think about it.
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My faves are (in alphabetical order):

Anglargård - Hybris
Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Darwin!, Io Sono Nato Libero
Genesis - Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, SEbtP
Harmonium - Les Cinq Saisons
  Jethro Tull - Aqualung
King Crimson - ItCotCK,  LTiA,  Red     
Pink Floyd - DSotM,  WYWH,  Animals
Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per un Amico
Van der Graaf Generator - Godbluff
Yes - CttE 
Frank Zappa - Hot Rats

Other, top 100, albums important for me to mention as my faves are:

Van der Graaf Generator - H to He
Camel - The Snow Goose
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire
Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - debut


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

(MILES DAVIS: KIND OF BLUE: 5 STARS AS JAZZ ALBUM, 4 STARS AS PROG ALBUM)

I'm curious, in which ways do you see this album as Prog?
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The Top 30 of all time does not bother me in any way. I don't have to re-arrange anything. 
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I don't know the four Italian albums in the Top 30 so I can't re-arrange it, but I know that VDGG's Pawn Hearts would be at #30 in my list, or even lower. Wink

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

The Top 30 of all time does not bother me in any way. I don't have to re-arrange anything. 

I'll piggy back on Cristi's post here. I must admit, I do find the PA Top 30 quite interesting, although because it is understandably so weighted toward the classic era, it means very little in the grand scheme of things. Furthermore I find a simple re-arrangement so simplistic and subjective, that it is of itself, a fairly pointless and derivative exercise...   
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Wow, this was an exercise in splitting hairs! The majority of these albums feel completely worthy of their masterpiece status IMO, even if my personal top 30 would look almost nothing like this. Oh, and I decided to skip Kind of Blue altogether because it's just not a prog rock album, so Wobbler's From Silence to Somewhere snuck on in its place.

Anyway, here's my attempt:

PERSONAL FAVOURITES:
1. Yes - Relayer
2. Gentle Giant - In a Glass House
3. Harmonium - Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison
4. Van Der Graaf Generator - Godbluff
5. Yes - Close to the Edge
6. King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic
7. Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso - Darwin!
8. Genesis - Foxtrot
9. PFM - Per Un Amico
10. Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts
11. PFM - Storia Di Un Minuto
12. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
13. Yes - Fragile
14. King Crimson - Red
15. Anglagard - Hybris
16. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound

UNDENIABLE CLASSICS:
17. Camel - Moonmadness
18. Pink Floyd - Animals
19. Camel - Mirage
20. Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon
21. Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
22. Jethro Tull - Aqualung
23. Genesis - Nursery Cryme
24. King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
25. Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso - Io Sono Nato Libero
26. Wobbler - From Silence to Somewhere
27. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here

NOT FOR ME:
28. Rush - Hemispheres
29. Rush - Moving Pictures
30. Rush - A Farewell to Kings
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

The Top 30 of all time does not bother me in any way. I don't have to re-arrange anything. 

I'll piggy back on Cristi's post here. I must admit, I do find the PA Top 30 quite interesting, although because it is understandably so weighted toward the classic era, it means very little in the grand scheme of things. Furthermore I find a simple re-arrangement so simplistic and subjective, that it is of itself, a fairly pointless and derivative exercise...   

I also think those albums belong there and are worthy o the appreciation and love they get. Smile
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From PA's Top 30 list, these are the 5-star albums that would be in my Top 30 too:-

Camel - Moonmadness
Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
YES - The Quest (in place of Close to the Edge)
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It's not about quality to me, it's about taste and qualities -- qualities especially in the case of Miles Davis' Kind of Blue which is out of place in a progressive rock top list whether one loves it or not. I have no problem with rearranging a list to one's taste; not a matter of if its worthy or not generally to me, although not all may be equally relevant to a particular list, and I like some algorithms for calculating the ratings and rankings more than others. And sometimes there has been manipulation when it comes to the lists, but I don't see that in the top 30 now.

Anyway, my top one from the top 30 is Van der Graaf Generator's Pawn Hearts and Miles Davis' Kind of Blue is the only one there that has irked me. I'm happy to have Miles Davis in JRF, I think it's quality jazz album and a real classic of jazz, and I'm fine with people loving it, but that highlights the issue to me of putting whole discographies in one category (and even if one does that, including whole discographies). Also, some relatively recent ones that sometimes quickly get catapulted into top lists have concerned me, but as I said, this is not an issue now with the top 30.
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Close to what it is now, but with Relayer at the top, Aqualung at the bottom and maybe Per Un Amico a little higher.
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In my opinion, a good way of re-arranging PA's top 30 would be to put more weight on the number of ratings.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


In my opinion, a good way of re-arranging PA's top 30 would be to put more weight on the number of ratings.

it's fine, because the least number of ratings (+ reviews) is 1100 or so. Just have a look at the number of ratings for each album and you'll see. 


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Yeah there's no album's in the top 30 with less than 1000 ratings so there's currently no 'new' albums jumping up into the list with distorted ratings. 

Even the Wobbler album from '17 in 31st has 800 ratings which is a good number. The first one with a 'low' number is Gorguts in 64th with 229. In that case the QWR does the job its meant to do dragging down its average rating from 4.39 (which would be good for 18th without weighting) to 4.25.


Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - May 12 2023 at 05:52
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

...
2) In The Court Of... King Crimson
5) Banco: Darwin
7) PFM: Storia di un minuto
9) FZappa: Hot Rats
11) VdGG: Godbluff
18) Genesis: Selling England
24) Camel: Mirage
30) GG: In a Glass House.
...

Hi,

I love all these ... equally, and it's really hard to decide. So I ended up with a Baker's Dozen!

Only sad thing is that not everything can be included. My other choices to add:

AD2: Dance of the Lemmings
Ange: Au Dela Du Delire
Ryuichi Sakamoto: Beauty
Sadistic Mika Band: Hot Menu
Egberto Gismonti: No Caipira. (Although many might think this is "jazz" but it really isn't. It's more "classical" than anything, and it is a beauty and then some.)


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

In my opinion, a good way of re-arranging PA's top 30 would be to put more weight on the number of ratings.
it's fine, because the least number of ratings (+ reviews) is 1100 or so. Just have a look at the number of ratings for each album and you'll see. 

So, I should maybe show what I mean. Wink
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Even my non-favorites are of high quality at least seven out of ten. No other order than the stars given:

*****
Red
In The Court Of The Crimson King
Pawn Hearts
Nursery Cryme
Mirage
Aqualung
Storia Di Un Minuto
H to E, Who Am The Only One

**** 1/2
Godbluff
Moonmadness
Lark's Tongues In Aspic

****
Per Un Amico
Close To The Edge
Wish You Were Here
Thick as a Brick
Foxtrot
Selling England By The Pound
Fragile
Darwin!
Hot Rats
A Kind Of Blue
Io sono nato libero
The Dark Side Of The Moon
Relayer

*** 1/2
Animals
A Farewell To Kings
Moving Pictures
Hybris
Hemispheres
In A Glass House
Si On Avait ..
Birds Of Fire
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